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tiger · Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 49

"Was Israel right to board the Gaza flotilla?"

A correct question would be "Why is Israel allowed to continually flout international law? "

How can attacking a peaceful mission to supply aid to oppressed Palestinians be right?

Alastan · Joined: 16 May 2010 Posts: 58

Keep in mind, the purpose of that flotilla was not to supply aid to the Palestinians(though it was no doubt loaded with supplies of course).

Its purpose was to draw the Israeli government into a confrontation to portray them as villains to the rest of the international community, international law being just one facet of that.

Now that was a success in part for the protesters. In part. I doubt any of them expected to give their lives for the cause.

The Israeli POV was 'if we let them through this time, whats to stop people from trying again?' which is entirely right. Copycats would spring up everywhere. This is a no win situation for Israel.

Either they get portrayed as villains for not letting the flotilla through, or there whole blockade falls apart.

Logically, its a clear that Israel was provoked into action. But who cares about logic? People who don't know the scope of the situation certainly don't. It was a huge success for the protesters, though they paid a high price for it. Was public opinion worth the lives of a dozen people?

tiger · Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 49

I do not think this is a provocation at all. There were many European activists as well as Turkish. (oddly enough not many Araps though??) Evidence that all of those on the ships in question were Islamists? Nil.
How come 600 people from different part of the world come together and decide "lets provoke the most disciplined and very well equipped army in the world" with kitchen knives.

Why the Israeli navy did not block the flotilla's way? And why the commandos open fire while they were still on the coppers? And why they did not wait until the ship enter Israeli waters? Evidence that the ships were in international waters, and thus victims of an act of piracy? Overwhelming.

In the end too many mistakes don't make even a single truth.

If you make people think that you have been blessed and promised sacred land by God and the others don't count, they will surely act mercilessly. Acting based on "fear and hatred" will bring only alike.

Alastan · Joined: 16 May 2010 Posts: 58

Perhaps a better way to put this into perspective would be to consider this.

Back in 1947, the Zionists did exactly the same thing in order to portray the British as villains.

The end result? Within a few years stood Israel.
What happened on that flotilla was exactly the same as what the Zionists did back then, but now the Israelis are on the receiving end.

Again. This action has had much wider consequences then a few tons of supplies. Those protesters knew what they were getting into and what they were after.

It was a well thought out and effective plan. The ultimate goal? To free the Gaza from the blockade. And it might just do that. Might. It might also drive Israel into isolation, but they won't care about protesters if that happens, or international opinion.

Some present political ramifications? The Turkish government, a long time ally of Israel(though this was due to the military, Turkey is complicated) has used this opportunity to end their friendship. Is it any coincidence that they recently closed several deals with Iran at the same time?

The USA might also desire to change their relationship with Israel. They have been give give giving. They might take the opportunity to extend their influence in an increasingly isolated Israel.

But who knows what will happen?

tiger · Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 49

I couldn't agree more on that the Zionist & British ally part.
Who slashed the Mid-East=The British, who was behind the scene=The Zionists (mostly the Roctchild family).

However, who gave them power to do that local Palestinian authorities back then. They basically stabbed the Ottomans in her dead bed while flirting with the British, "matchmaker was Lawrence of Arabia."

Yes, Turks have always special relationship with Jews starting as early as 1492 Spanish Expulsion, still there is. Economic ties still strong, yet politically is weakened at record high.

Anyways, from early 1930s they sold out tons of acres of land to rich Jews from Europe. 1947, Jews just demanded their righteous deeds. OK, it's all done and over with, but since then Jews, or mostly Zionist power holders in the government and the army acted as if getting their revenge from Nazi Germany...blood & tears would only bring humongous negative energy to the region. Both sides operate on fear and hate, therefore love & peace cease into silence...pray for the good days...namaste..!

Alastan · Joined: 16 May 2010 Posts: 58

Agreed in full Tiger. Its a sad state of affairs there.

bryanskrantz · Joined: 11 Sep 2007 Posts: 190 Location: New Jersey

Please do not bring this kind of negativity here. However I have to bring this up. The Israelis are at war with the Palestinians since the first "uprising". Why should Israel care what the international community thinks. Palestinians declared war on THEM. NOT the other way around. None of the Arab nations want Israel to exist. Case in point, Iran and their muslim clerics who subscribe to the Wahhabi school of thought which is ridiculous in itself.

magi22 · Joined: 24 Sep 2010 Posts: 34

Which school of thought do you subscribe to as I guess that is also ridiculous ?

Almost all actions by Israelis is negative.Period.

Alastan · Joined: 16 May 2010 Posts: 58

magi22 · Joined: 24 Sep 2010 Posts: 34

Options are to give some of the land they have stolen back to the Palestenians,help to give the Palestanians a viable economic and political state by freeing up border access and controls,stop killing their leaders ,give them an alternative (other then fighting),stop offering them peace deals which are not in their best interest,follow UN Resolutions and human rights acts etc etc

Alastan · Joined: 16 May 2010 Posts: 58

Thats a pretty bad option...

It would be like the USA giving up the land it 'stole' from the natives.

Thats pretty much all of it, restricting the USA to a very small area on the coast and in inhospitable places of the traditional USA.

That would suck a lot, wouldn't it? Welcome to Israel.

magi22 · Joined: 24 Sep 2010 Posts: 34

Difference is that eventually the Americans realised that they had wronged the Red Indians,gave them their own land and supported them with aid.

Israeli's will not acknowledge that they are wrong and continue with their illeagal land grab.

Welcome to Planet Earth

bryanskrantz · Joined: 11 Sep 2007 Posts: 190 Location: New Jersey

I'm about to lose my patience with this ignorant piece of.... Well you get the idea. Can somebody please lock this topic before I go off on him?

d_redant · Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:30 am Post subject:

Well this is why I always recommend people to stay away from such political topics..

So do not bring religious/political sparring to this forum... stop it right away..

Stick to mystical topics... After all you are on Mystical Wonders... There are many other relevant avenues for you to talk about all this on other related forums.

Indira · Joined: 22 Apr 2011 Posts: 69

I am getting sick of Isreal considered as the 'bad guy' of the world. This sort of thread should be in a forum like a conspricarcy forum which are ten a penny.

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