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masqueradinglife



Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:19 am    Post subject: healing Reply with quote

being able to heal small scrapes/other injuries on my own body in short amounts of time is one thing, but healing somebody else of a cold or even death is a complete other. the last time i tried to heal somebody, i sadly have to say i didn't succed. she was my best friend's grandmother, a very wonderful person who made a difference to people wherever she went. we lost her several months ago sadly, and just a year ago i had been learning reiki. well, i tried by damned best to help her, putting everything i had into it, and it stll wasn't enough to save her life. i even went as far as draining our car's battery as we went to the hospital-mind you, was a total accident and we ended up having to push our car into the hospital parking lot which was no fun when you're in a hurry to see someone you care about before they pass on- and even that extra energy was to no avail. after that failure i haven't tried to heal serious things like that since. i would like to be able to heal other people, because homeless or not, there are several people who have impacted my life and taken me in even in their own desperate times. i couldn't bear to sit and watch bad things happen to the people i care about again, i really want to be able to heal other people other than myself-plus it makes me feel selfish because i can only heal myself =( that's not the kind of person i ever want to be! can anyone teach me how to heal other people please???
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Caerdon



Joined: 18 Sep 2009
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Location: Canada

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, seeing how in order to heal someone from death another must die, so that is not your fault.

Healing someone else is alot harder to do than yourself. Not only do you work with your own energies channeling into someone else, but you have to work with their own natural healing ability. You also are not channelling your energies internally, but projecting them out into others. It works differntly when you do.

You can't just channel into the person and try to heal them as you heal yourself, you have to delve into them, sense their body as you can yours, work with their energy pathways, with their physical bodies themselves. It's highly complex to do
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SOL12



Joined: 28 Jan 2011
Posts: 219
Location: Erie

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To save another doesnt require taking another life. While it would take a messiah level of power to pull off all that would be needed is the input of the required light energy that is the force of creation. The light is the most effective for healing for this reason.
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Caerdon



Joined: 18 Sep 2009
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Location: Canada

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you heard the term "Life for a life"? In order to save someone or bring them back from death another has to take their place. And Life Energy is the best for healing. Not that light energy isn't extremely effective.

And if a person is still alive it is possible to save them by healing, though the closer they are to the point of death, the harder it is to bring them back from there... but once they die it takes a death to bring them back.
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branimirb



Joined: 19 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are things being healing.

After an individual, or better put, their higher self, chooses to die, they will die. NOTHING can change this, for it is their choice.

No one dies until they choose to.

I'm not sorry that you couldn't save your friend's grandmother, and neither should you be. Many people want to be healed, but don't know how to do it for themselves.

You can undo any damage, you can make the blind see and the deaf hear, but you cannot prevent a death. Knowing this, I reccomend a book,

Kok Sui Choa - Pranic Healing

It's very informative, very usefull, and most importantly, very applied. If you're truly willing to make a difference, start here.
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SOL12



Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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Location: Erie

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Life for a life is a philosophical view point following equilant exchange, a thought process of balance. A life isn't needed, just life itself. The light is life. With the ability to use enough one could do this. Taking another's life would be using death to bring life. It doesn't work that way, believe me.
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Caerdon



Joined: 18 Sep 2009
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Location: Canada

PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never said you had to take another persons life, i said for you to bring someone back from death another must take their place. There's a big difference between the two.

You don't go killing people to bring someone back because, as you said, that would be using death to give life. While some claim you may reanimate a body that way, it wouldn't be the same as giving life. No soul, and t use death to give life you would only get a dead life. After that, decomposition is a b**** (edited for politeness)

Also, the Light does not equal life. life is the life. I know many who, if you use light on it would do more harm than good as they are not light attuned. Life energy is the real median throughout all living beings.
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SOL12



Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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Location: Erie

PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay well as someone who knows the light I know what it really is. It is the life you are thinking of. It is creation, our being. Terminology aside when you see it you'll understand but what we speak of is one and the same. And I meant one life still need not be exchanged, all you need is life. While many are darker and won't take in what some call light energy the light itself is still the life required to do this and almost anything if acquired. Jesus was one of the most notable masters of the true light but it is more than you'll ever understand. To see it, to feel it is like nothing else. And until you know I suggest you seek the truth yourself if you're going to to counterdict me.
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SOL12



Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I apologize for any level of hostility that may have been taken as, I mean nothing personal. I only wish to express I am familiar with the concept you speak of, I call it the light because it is what it I perceive it as when I connect with it though it is not so simple. We use terms such as life, light, god, energy as a common medium to express ideas but they are all just words. The experiance is entirely differant than theory. I don't claim to be on par with any messiah or great prophet or any other title/status. I am just on my path to the ultimate truth they sought.
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Caerdon



Joined: 18 Sep 2009
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Location: Canada

PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you are claiming to be able to bring anyone back to life after they have died using this "light"? I must say it is quite incredulous.

You know the "Light", but that is one facet of something beyond your understanding as you limit yourself to only concentrating on one thing and lessening the impact or importance of other things.

Life is different to Light, for Light implies a positive or "lighter" energy, mostly seen as "spiritual" or "divine", where as Life energy is a mixture of different degrees, frequencies all interwoven into one incredible and unique form of energy, neither light or dark and benifitial to any.

for some beings this "Light" that you assume is Life is the anathema, their Zero Sum. Literal energy poisoning to them.
Life sustains them. Light harms them.

(for those reading for information please stop here as now it gets a bit personal as my patience is extremely low today, and i will do something i usually try not to do on purpose and give myself airs. i apologise to people and give warning and opportunity now to not read on if you do not find it relatable. but hey, he challanged me, my intellect and knowledge without bothering to get to know what i may know and brought it into the region of personal that people should have the option to not read on - and yes, i know that these are rationalizations... i'll try and keep it polite... but i will restrain myself)


I keep my terminology precise as to avoid confusion and the use of "blanket" terms as these terms are too improcise and is the tool of a lazy intellect. So terminology will not be set aside to conform to your ideas on what everyone should follow, in order to incorrectly fall into what you claim to be correct or for being into your personal belief system. Don't be sloppy in your intellect.

You may know the Light, but i know more than that.

You claim it is like nothing else i'll ever experience. I experience the Lifeblood, the Heartbeat of the Universe. I emplore you to tell me what does your light offer than is more than that?

To understand the truth is to take into account that you may be wrong, to question yourself and what you assume is true. I went through the light phase. Least to say it didn't take for me or last long. There is too much more than that.

I seek the truth on a veriaty of things, the nature of souls, the secrets of time, the nature on the energyfields that people manipulate in which is interperated as "magickal energy", the workings of interdimensional timestreams and the infinate mirrors of the world, to name a few. I know that some truths, some ways of things, should never be known as general knowledge, for i know the results and what the concequences would be.

You implore a narrowmindedness to me, a lack of knowledge, without taking into concideration that i know what i'm talking about, that i know something that is beyond what you know at this point of time.

The point of this... don't be condescending to someone you don't know.
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SOL12



Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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Location: Erie

PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use broader terms for those not familiar with them so lose the attitude. If you had my experiance I wouldn't have to explain everything. Life isn't black and white because we are tied into both but at our core we are that creation. We are that light. I've spent my life in both extremes of dark and light and everywhere inbetween, never said you don't have your share or that there's not more than just what I seek. I'm only stating I know this force of creation is all, as we all are. We came from it and we shall return to it. It is the Truth and there is nothing greater. I don't give a singular damn about your terms, there's hundreds of them in languages even I don't speak. And also I never claimed I can bring life to the dead, only that it is possible, but just barely. I'm not in a light phase, though I have, and I respect both sides of the spectrum but the greatest power, that of the universe and life, is beyond good and evil. I don't care much for your annoying dickery when I'm trying to be civil and have a discussion, so check your ego. I'm sure your quite skilled but pardon me for my previous assumption but I stand by it as I have doubts about one who claims to be enlightened and seen the core of existance carries themselves as such.
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branimirb



Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 220

PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only truth is infinite Love, all else is illusion.

Caerdon, as interesting as it may be to see what makes the Universe/Nature tick. Everything we know and percieve is an illusion, it's a creation from nothingness we made when we seperated from One-ness.

Knowing the "light" or the "dark" is but one of the parts of the illusion, SOL12. Neither is real, and believing in them is the greatest thing holding us back... When something as simple as light/dark is believed, a man cannot truly move forward.

The ONLY truth is infinite Love. One-ness.

This "Love" isn't really what we call love, it's different... It's the only thing that isn't an energy, it just is. Light and Dark are always limited and always equal to each other, but Love is not.

The problem arises when people affiliate or mistake "Love" with "light". Darkness stems from Love just as much as light does. Tending to believe in the light is the same as tending to believe in the dark, it is false and will lead you away from understanding.

Now, I know SOL12 to be intelligent, and I know that when he speaks of the "true light" he's not talking about "light", but I'm not sure if we mean the same thing.

One last note, Caerdon. "A life for a life" as well as any other equivalent exchange, is bollocks. Anyone can create and destroy anything from nothing, if we want to. Fun fact, not only did Jesus revive the dead, but so did certain Babylonians in rituals that required no sacrifice (they only did it for rich people, saying that poor people were useless, as wealth is a sign of spiritual power as well). Silly, isn't it?
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SOL12



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Location: Erie

PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I complely agree with you, not just 'cause you called me inteligent. And yes we are refering to the same idea. It is a love most beautiful, it's good to see another as appreciative of it.
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branimirb



Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 220

PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We really need a new name for it...
It's not love, it's not light, it's not even energy.
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Caerdon



Joined: 18 Sep 2009
Posts: 126
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love is a great driving force, and an incredible thing. that was never in question.

But you missed completely what i am talking about.

It is still not LIFE energy

that was, originally, what i was getting at.

they are different. Not the same. Light (or love) ≠ Life

Branimerb, infinate universal love is a good thing to strive for. but don't close your mind towards all else for it. none here has the mental facilities to precieve total truth about anything, and philosophy tells us, which i totally agree with, is that absolutes leads to a closed mind. you cannot grow if your mind is set in stone.

But ask yourself this.. what if this Infinate Love is the illusion and everything else isn't? What if it is just a philosophical excersize or question? What arguements can you use to disprove this notion that cannot be used to disprove yours? I'm not asking you this to make you choose or to believe something else but to continuously question yourself and your beliefs and, hopefully for you, to reafferm yourself and learn more.

As for pure creation from nothing... there is always something. whether its from your own energy, energy from around you, atomised material, or even transdimentional energy/ material, it all still comes from somewhere. And absolute distruction, making something to be nothing... that is true of the final product but not the materials, so it can potentially be recreated again. Unless you made something not exsist. In which case the driving force on unmaking something that way would also be made to be non exsistant, which would have made you not want to distroy it, which would have made you not distroy it in the first place, which then would make it exsist because you never distroyed it, and the paradoxial loop would be forevermore like that.

As for a life for a life, i wasn't talking about equivelent exchange. SOL claimed it to be that which i denied it being that. i was just saying when you bring someone back from life, someone has to die. i don't say who, i don't say you have to kill someone. just somebody's life will end for it to happen. There is always a price, always a concequence. whether you see it as such or not.

And SOL... you really do not get it.

Quote:
If you had my experiance I wouldn't have to explain everything


Take it from my view point... this is true for me towards you too. You cannot assume that anyone has your experiences. If everyone had the same experiences... well... this forum would be obsolete.

Light and dark also exsisted before human life was even a mere thought. Humans did not create them. The universe was going along well before humanity came to be. It is the assumptions that the human race is the acculmination of everything, light, love, darkness and so on, that... stunts. Limits.

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I don't give a singular damn about your terms, there's hundreds of them in languages even I don't speak


This is quite insulting cross the language barrier. Say life in any language it still means life. Or light. Or darkness. Love though you often need to get a bit more specific as many languages has more than one word for love.(though there usually is a universal love word). The more complex terms are usually either translatable between languages, or refures back to the origin of it.. all else fails latin works. But still... Broader terms makes information harder for people to find. They are looking for specific things, and end up reading information they do not want, that is not pertinant to what they are seeking. If they would not understand the term you use, give information on it, explain it a little. Expand their knowledge.

I agree and disagree with what you said about the greatest power in this universe being beyond good or evil. I agree that it is, but i disagree with what you claim it is to be. Light and Love is benevolent, uplifting, benificial. All inherently good. that sense of Oneness that all seems to strive for... is that not Heaven, what is seemingly the final resting place of good souls? i'm not saying light and love isn't one of the most powerful things in the universe, but it is the pinnacle of all that is good.

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'm sure your quite skilled but pardon me for my previous assumption but I stand by it as I have doubts about one who claims to be enlightened and seen the core of existance carries themselves as such.


Ofcourse i carry myself as such. I'm me and you insulted, condenscended, made assumptions and disreguarded me. you've tried to force your own feelings of superiority upon me. I've never once claimed to be enlightened. Don't put words in my mouth. And my Ego isn't the only one that needs to get checked. You where not being civil (which, by the way, civil people have the habit of veiled and concealed insults). You where being a sophist. I do admit that Im an asshole towards you, and more than a little antagonistic towards you. But you also diserve me to be. I admit that you have intellegance, but you are deeply flawed in it.

At the start we where having a discussion, which was leading to be quite heated but it would have been good. but instead of treating me as an equal with possibly similar if not as great experiences as you, you got condenscending

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... masters of the true light but it is more than you'll ever understand. To see it, to feel it is like nothing else. And until you know I suggest you seek the truth yourself if you're going to to counterdict me.


How could anyone not get insulted from that? it doesn't matter what retractions you send after, the mere fact that you not only thought it but said it in a public forum... that is too much for anyone worth themselves to take lying down.
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