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martouk



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:09 pm    Post subject: About Reiki Reply with quote

Here is a never discussed topic in regard to Reiki healing. The energies used in Reiki are abundant and one does not need an attunment to necessarily access the energies.

The biggest problem in the New Age is that people jump on the popular bandwagons without communitcating effectively with their guides to find out what any attunement or activation will do for (or against) them in their growth cycle.

What every so-called lightworker needs to realize is that only dealing with Light and Light energies, they are creating a form of spiritual imbalance. The ideal path for self-growth is the path of Balance, what Buddha called the middle road and what the Yin/Yang symbol represents. So long as you are only working with Light energies, you are creating a spiritual imbalance for yourself.

What very few understand is that, just as there are corrupt forces of darkness in the universe, Light itself can also be used for harmful or detrimental purposes. The problem with Reiki is that it is primarily a low level form of energy. There are energies that can be used in a similar healing or therapeutic manner, but the symbols that one is attuned with for a Reiki Master attunement, are actually inhibitor symbols that in effect damp down the energies.

Now I know they reiki masters will vehemently deny this assertion, but not having ascended to utilization of higher energies due to the inhibitor symbols placed in their Master Attunement, they are not in a position to effectively argue against this. What the Master Attunement does is place the symbols in the auric field, effectively serving as inhibitor implants to prevent access to higher levels of energy. Anyone working with reiki who has not gon through the Master attunement will fare better in accessing the higher level energies than those who have allowed the symbol implants to be placed in a Master attunement.

People need to know that much of what is publicly available in the New Age is designed to prevent people from accessing their true spiritual potential. This counts all forms of so-called ancient knowledge and esoteric teaching. There is no tool out there available to the public at large that has full information or that is not designed to misdirect. Developing personal discernment is your best weapon against the hucksters and spiritual misinformation. Do not look for a magic bullet solution to your growth - no such thing exists. Spiritual development is generally a hard solitary path and requires personal focus and determination.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You shouldn't judge how others flow the way they flow.. If they want to flow and follow a bandwagon they will learn from that experience (even if it means their progress is stunted they will learn to transcend it eventually once they are seeking and evolving). The New Age serves its purpose in the grand scheme of things too..

You said: "People need to know that much of what is publicly available in the New Age is designed to prevent people from accessing their true spiritual potential."

This is correct too and yea discernment/intuition is needed.. That's why there is this forum!! This forum is mainly not here to discuss products (only the ones Mystical Wonders (TM) recommends from our own experiences)... neither is it here to be a channel for others to bash the New Age/Reiki,etc... though what you said about Reiki feels very true to me (the attunement issue).... We're here to share our experiences and knowledge and help others along the way.. Learning from each other is what it is all about.. Diversity also!

The New Age even played a huge part in my spiritual growth.. so respect all aspects of creation and diversity...also realize everything is in divine order...and everything is connected directly or indirectly.. You are suppose to know this already instead of trying to bash things you should be looking for the underlying unity of it all.

Everyone is learning the way they intended themselves to learn when they incarnated here..

Of course light and dark must both be worked with for real growth..

Spiritual development is as hard or as easy as you believe it to be.. For me it was very easy...I just went with the flow and always keep going with the flow..no matter where it leads there is some reason for that...

Everything happens for a reason..
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martouk



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:47 am    Post subject: About Reiki Reply with quote

The post is not about bashing anyone. The post is about providing valid information for people who desire it. By your own comments you find agreement with some of what I said.

Many seekers are looking for valid information that will help them grow. For the most part, the abundance of information available is only good up to a point. Many find themselves 'stalled' looking for the next step, that generally isn't provided by the available material in the public domain.

I too worked through the new age material, but generally found the messages contained there more 'feel good' information rather than 'how to' information. It is fine and good to have positive intent, but the spiritual path is not all roses. For one who has achieved any substantial level of development, many doctrinal ideas show how they are in fact false.

The idea that everything is allowed, IMHO, is one of those pieces of disinformation designed to make people docile and to accept what most people consider evil. It creates a complacency and a relinquishment of personal responsibility for people to clean up this planet themselves.

Ideas such as the so-called Ascension process, whereby all the good spiritual folks will somehow be elevated to some 5D reality while all the bad people are left here to muddle about in the dark and evil of 3D are nothing more than an idea comparable to the Christian Rapture. It sells well, but I think it has little basis in reality. The same applies with the concept of the good Aliens coming to save us from ourselves. All these ideas serve to have people relinquish their responsibilities for changing the world. It amounts to human escapism and feel good doctrines, and in that respect, it is no different than any other religion.

I am not a troll who decided to jump into this forum to stir things up for pleasure. I am, however, an individual who through progressing my own spiritual path has come into a broader perception of greater realities. Unfortunately, most of what is real goes beyond what most people want to believe. Just the same, it does not make it untrue because it happens to be uncomfortable.

I have seen posts in other areas of the forum where people are asking questions about how to wage magical warfare against individual foes, like some fantasy arcade game. There has been a war going on for this planet for millions of years. The time for the tyranny of evil to cease to exist is at hand, but it won't happen so long as people relinquish and avoid their responsibilities to the rest of the human race. A real metaphysical war has been going on for a long time. Those in the forefront of battle are waiting for reinforcements, but unfortunately, they seem to be in short supply.

There is no spiritual magic wand that is going to stop the tyranny and control on this planet. We are being propagandized about negative reptiles and many other forms of beings threatening our planet, etc. The biggest threat to the human race at this time is compacency and self-imposed ignorance. Living in denial will not fix the problems here. Waiting for some magical ascension or rapture, or for the aliens to come save us will not work.

The UN is one of the driving forces behind the disinformation mill. The agenda was started in great part by Madame Blavatsky and gained strength and force through her acolyte Alice Bailey - who, BTW, was an active participant in the creation of the UN along with her organization Lucis Trust (formerly Lucifer Publishing). The following are but two links that support this contention. More information is readily available for those interested in the truth.

http://www.aquaac.org/dl/04nl34art3.html

http://www.un.org/webcast/pdfs/spirit-program.pdf

It is great to hope for a world driven by love rather than hatred and tyranny, but it is not something that is going to come about if people in general continue to support and believe in agendas whose making they do not know or understand. It is a time for sipritual truth, but truth is not always an easy pill to swallow. The biggest truth is that it is not okay to just sit idly by and believe that all the worlds ill are going to magically disappear. Inform yourselves, that is the first step.

You wrote: "so respect all aspects of creation and diversity...also realize everything is in divine order...and everything is connected directly or indirectly.. You are suppose to know this already instead of trying to bash things you should be looking for the underlying unity of it all."

In response I will say that the so-called Divine Order, as generally accepted, is incorrect. There are laws of creation, but the Order of the universe is a matter of choice. That being said, I do not have to respect tyranny or tyrants in any form in any dimension. They serve no useful purpose to the greater good/

I am keenly aware of what is happening in the universe, and it doesn't amount to allowing tyranny to run rampant. Evil is not necessary so we can experience the light. That is UN hogwash designed to keep the tyrants in power and keep humanity as slaves. The underlying unity you think exists has not existed for eons. We stand on the threshhold of making it happen, but it won't happen so long as so many think there is a magical escape clause removing their personal responsibility for changing the planet.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand what you're saying..and although I agreed with some of what you said does not mean I agree with everything you say.

You obviously have a beef to pick with certain things, people and situations.

You're not going to use this forum as a base to launch your attacks though...so think again.. You won't last here long with that attitude..

"The idea that everything is allowed, IMHO, is one of those pieces of disinformation designed to make people docile and to accept what most people consider evil. It creates a complacency and a relinquishment of personal responsibility for people to clean up this planet themselves. "

Well actually no its not the way you say it is.. Its how you look at it from your point of view.. You are on one agenda here as I can see..

Divine Order is Divine Order... It's not a peice of disinformation.. You have a little understanding of things but I don't think you have harmony in you which is why you have to feel the need to lash out at things, new age, reiki, etc..
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martouk



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reiki and things Reply with quote

Well, I have obviously struck some chord with you. In two posts now you have become insulting on a personal level, which I thought violated the rules of the forum. I have insulted no one on a personal basis. I have challenged ideas. Because what I wrote does not fit well into your belief structure, you obviously feel the need to 'kill the messenger'. I thought the forum was a place to share ideas, not kill them because one found disagreement. I saw nowhere in the site requirements that everything had to agree. Just because what I wrote disagrees with your perspective does not make it wrong or necessarily hostile to anyone on a personal level.

People should be allowed to entertain different ideas. Becoming insulting to me on a personal level based on my post of challenging ideas does not belittle me. Everyone is at a different stage of development. Many are looking for things that will help them understand themselves and creation better. But having said that, people are only willing to go so far as their belief systems allow them. Being a defender of the faith does not always make the faith wholly true.

You have obviously taken what I said in a personal manner and there is nothing personal about the message. What you describe as lashing out is your interpretation. I am very careful to respect people, it is ideas that I sometimes challenge based on knowledge and experience. If you can't accept an idea that challenges your belief structure, then this forum is not what it presents itself to be. If you feel the need to silence the messenger by banning me from this site, then that is your prerogative. I am not here to cause trouble, I am here to help people learn to think about things and make their own choices. If that is too much to expect from an 'open forum' then by all means ban me.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Reiki and things Reply with quote

Well I expected this type of response from you.

I have not insulted you..I am just a blunt person.. Are you easily hurt by blunt remarks?

You are blunt and I am blunt.. so deal with it..Don't start to cry as if you are being oppressed or attack for simply sharing your views. Be a man..

You cannot make assumptions about my belief structure..because in reality you have no awareness of the real scope of my "beliefs"

You can only observe what you think you can see about me..

Also you're very rude to mention that the rules of the forum are being violated. You're just a new member here. Show some more respect.. Respect seems to be a big problem for you..

Of course the messenger will be killed magickally spiritually and mentally if the messenger has one agenda of disrupting things..that's expected..

Learn some respect and you'll have a nice stay here.. Keep trying to prove yourself by discrediting others and you'll get no-where..

The real issue with you here was trying to strike a chord..you're very easy to see through.. 'this forum is not what it presents itself to be' - I knew this was where you was going with your whole attacks on new age, reiki,etc... so wake up ..

martouk wrote:
Well, I have obviously struck some chord with you. In two posts now you have become insulting on a personal level, which I thought violated the rules of the forum. I have insulted no one on a personal basis. I have challenged ideas. Because what I wrote does not fit well into your belief structure, you obviously feel the need to 'kill the messenger'. I thought the forum was a place to share ideas, not kill them because one found disagreement. I saw nowhere in the site requirements that everything had to agree. Just because what I wrote disagrees with your perspective does not make it wrong or necessarily hostile to anyone on a personal level.

People should be allowed to entertain different ideas. Becoming insulting to me on a personal level based on my post of challenging ideas does not belittle me. Everyone is at a different stage of development. Many are looking for things that will help them understand themselves and creation better. But having said that, people are only willing to go so far as their belief systems allow them. Being a defender of the faith does not always make the faith wholly true.

You have obviously taken what I said in a personal manner and there is nothing personal about the message. What you describe as lashing out is your interpretation. I am very careful to respect people, it is ideas that I sometimes challenge based on knowledge and experience. If you can't accept an idea that challenges your belief structure, then this forum is not what it presents itself to be. If you feel the need to silence the messenger by banning me from this site, then that is your prerogative. I am not here to cause trouble, I am here to help people learn to think about things and make their own choices. If that is too much to expect from an 'open forum' then by all means ban me.


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martouk



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reiki Reply with quote

Please explain how I have been disrespectful.
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martouk



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reiki Reply with quote

You wrote:

"Of course the messenger will be killed magickally spiritually and mentally if the messenger has one agenda of disrupting things..that's expected.."

How is one to interpret that? With all due respect.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meditate on it and you'll figure out the root of all of this..

You're suppose to have a good intuition...

Lets see if you can walk the talk..
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martouk



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reiki Reply with quote

You want some live interface on this? You use any chat forum? No sense stirring things up here. Contact me at *** on yahoo messenger if you are up for it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not interested
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martouk



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reiki Reply with quote

Gee, there's a surprise. Have a nice day.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still waiting on your reply... see if you can see what is the root of all of this...and get back to me here..

No use trying to save face by taking it into a chat...you started it here..so finish it here
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martouk



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reiki Reply with quote

I fully understand your meaning in all of this. I'm not stupid. I really don't think you want to establish an antagonistic relationship because you happen to disagree with what I wrote. I completely understand about destroying the messenger magically, spiritually and mentally. It is a bare threat. One that does not give me an ounce of concern.

The root of this is simple. I raised challenges in the way things are taught in the New Age. I offered alternative ideas to the doctrine, and that was a threat to your forum. You felt the need to respond as you did out of misinterpretation of what I wrote - you call it lashing out or bashing, and I see it as sharing truthful information. For this conflict in ideas, you have chosen a hostile stance since you own the forum. You are taking it personally when there is only generalization in my comments. Even now, in the midst of this thread, I hold no hostility, but I understand your mindset - I have encountered it many times before.

I sense that you see this as some kind of battle, yet I do not. There is nothing to battle, it is merely a disagreement on spiritual concepts. But if you feel this is all a threat, then this forum is not what it presents itself to be. Plain and simple. The question remains as to whether you will allow alternative ideas into your forum or not. Yes, my ideas will challenge the way people think. I freely admit that. On the spiritual path one must ultimately learn to think for themselves, not march in lockstep with doctrines or dogmas. But if no one has a choice in the matter, then independent thought is impossible.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're in the wrong forum.

Find another one that better suits your ideals.

And i've encountered many like you before too... but you're a bit different from the rest..

I will tolerate you a little more...

Oh and I wasn't hostile.. As I said before I am a blunt person.. I don't sugar coat things..

Don't worry there is no battle here..

"On the spiritual path one must ultimately learn to think for themselves, not march in lockstep with doctrines or dogmas. But if no one has a choice in the matter, then independent thought is impossible."

That's very correct too..
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