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GaiaLove · Joined: 28 Nov 2011 Posts: 28

Resolution

To begin, I am going to stay away from the word “belief” here, as I would like to ask my question with the consideration that a belief is simply an idea or system of ideas that we bond to and often limit ourselves with. An idea is a mental image which holds definition, and which can be communicated from one entity to another.

So, if we can all comprehend and agree on the idea of what Unconditional Love means, and if we can all agree that the highest, purest, most powerful force imaginable is Unconditional Love itself, and if we can all agree that this highest power has been given many names by man, such as God, Alah, Buddah, etc., and that this highest power truly feels more attractive to our entity than any other energy, then this provides clarity in the foundation of the question I am about to ask…

What happens when there are conflicting ideas regarding the role of the Will?

More specifically, for example, what happens when person A has the idea that ones Will is free-Will and that each individual is responsible for ones own Will, yet person B has the idea that ones Will is the Will-of-God, and that it is God who is responsible for ones Will?

Socially, this can (and does) create a substantial amount of dilemmas and conflict.

How can ideas of such similar worship, yet such contrast regarding the Will come to resolution in extreme cases?

What are your thoughts?

GaiaLove

lenred · Site Veteran Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1512 Location: US

Not sure I totally understood your question, but this is my view.

It does not matter if A disagrees with B. Some group discusions I have attended have brought up this same topic. One believes this and one believes that, almost to the point of arguing. Ego, religion, metaphysics or whatever they base these beliefs on really makes no difference if one is pursuing the concepts of spirituality. Everyone's path is different as are their pursuits. We are all where we need to be relative to our own spiritual evolution. If one follows their own path and allows all others to do the same for themselves life would be much more joyful. Judgements or interference in anothers path is not supported by the higher realms in any way and resolution is not a consideration.

GaiaLove · Joined: 28 Nov 2011 Posts: 28

I agree and can see much truth in your view.

There are various interpretations of various theories of how/why we came to be, and often this leads to arguments on one-to-one scale, religious group-to-religious group scale, etc. There is learning available always, and most people are aiming for happiness, and joy, simply because it feels right. All ideas can be tools, or obstacles, along the way. It is really up to the individual to choose.

You mentioned "If one follows their own path and allows all others to do the same for themselves life would be much more joyful." I see yes and no. What about one who claims that it is gods will that is manifesting one to destroy innocence? Or that one has the free-will to do this, for whatever reason. There are some people in this world that are still justifying racism today, and some who claim that certain race(s) should be erased from the earth, simply because of the small visual difference of ones skin color.

Do you not see resolution necessary for progression and growth, whether the conflicting idea it is between two, or billions?

lenred · Site Veteran Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1512 Location: US

Once again this is my personal view only.

Interpretations and theories are meaningless for the most part. Traditional values and concepts are usually passed on from one generation to next without question or investigation relative to origins or anything else. Yes learning is always available and is up to the individual to choose what feels right to them.

Learning thru argumentation doesn't work as it only makes one more adament about their own belief at the moment. There is no right or wrong decision. it's just a decision. Although there may be ramifications, we still have free will to make that choice.

People have been killing individuals, tribes and races claiming that it is gods will and various other reasons since day one it seems. It still involves free will which is upheld by the higher realms. It is a potential learning experience for all concerned. It also involves individual and race karma.

Every person caught up in a situation whether it is perceived as positve or dark negative is there for a reason. Before reincarnation while still in spirit that reason was know and accepted to by that person or people. We in the human physical, have no idea what that reason is. It is their earthwalk. Spiritual growth is an individual basic. That is why interference in that person's mission path will produce ramifications and karma. It is interfering with the soul's intention, but free will allows it.

Hope that was somewhat relevant.

VibratingPickle · Joined: 12 Apr 2011 Posts: 128

Wow.

I have been trying to avoid a certain type of person and came to the realization that I had been running into this type of person everywhere for some time now. I found that this had a lesson for me, but did not understand what that lesson was.

Lenred has pointed me to my lesson, I have seen my reflection, and now need to accept a change in myself.

I am just amazed. Same night I come to the realization and someone posts the explanation. Thanks!

GaiaLove · Joined: 28 Nov 2011 Posts: 28

A few thoughts/questions came to mind after reading your last post...

-Do you think each souls mission is ultimately for unconditional love? (Perhaps it is indirectly, and not directly..?)

-Can we even interfere with a souls mission, if it was already agreed to?

-Although I do not and am not shedding doubt on the possibility of reincarnation, we simply do not know what, if anything, came before birth for certain to be able to say that we agreed to anything. If we believe that everything was prior agreed upon, then do we also risk not assuming full responsibility and accountability with our free-will?

-If everything was already agreed upon for the purpose to learn certain things through certain experiences, then this is like giving a mathematical equation with the answer already in place, just for the sake/fun of having to go through the maze and figure it out.

-If what we are learning, or have previously chosen to learn, feeds a lack of light/love, then have we learned? It seems like the answer would be no... From personal experience, all of the elders in my life, and people I have known who have died momentarily and returned, all share in common that what really matters in hindsight is love... So, again it seems the answer would be no, but the potential still remains. Progression is always available to be acknowledged and manifested and practiced into a habit of thought/action.

-If we do not ever feed the light/love/long-term energy to ourselves, and only feed ourselves emptiness/short-term pleasures, then I think the only logical thing to expect is like the saying "you are what you eat."

-Being in the physical, one can broaden ones awareness to ones spiritual dimension and even become aware and familiarized with ones spiritual intention, which is connected to ones soul mission. Many people can remember a knowing even from childhood. If it was always there from birth, then you could say it is in our nature.

-What I mean by resolution: Looking at Karma... approaching a negative karmic circle between oneself and another in order lead by example and put a halt to the karmic pattern, is, by planting new seeds of potential, resolution.

Any thoughts? Smile

lenred · Site Veteran Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1512 Location: US

A brief.

We as personalities in this 3d realm are in essense tools of the oversoul to help fulfill that soul's intention. While still in the 'spirit physical' place, as Source terms it, we have been given and have accepted our part in this play. This will in some way further the soul's intention which is part of overall spiritual evolution. We come here fully intending to live our life according to that plan. When incarnated we forget the what and why we are here. If we knew the entire plan we would avoid many aspects believing they would be too difficult for us.

On this earth our part may be deemed as evil or good by society, but our mission was planned with unconditional love by all involved which includes the spirit hierarchy. Everything is in divine order and all free will choices are totally acceptable to the soul and it's intention. Unconditional love is what it is all about. The soul does not consider anything as good or evil. The soul makes no judgements and lovingly accepts whatever is presented to use for it's pupose.

In the physical, the plan is vague or unknown however, if one is attuned to Source and the universal flow with desire and intent, much of our mission path can be discovered or revealed. Then utilizing intuition and free will, choices we make would hopefully keep us somewhat on track. The initial plan would be the optimum way to complete the mission but, our mission is adjustable as we move forward with life. Ego and free will choices can take us outside that plan, but spirit works with whatever is presented. All is in divine order.

Negative karma can easily be resovled between individuals. If a person is in tune with the universal flow the particular karmic situation can be discovered and resolved at a higher level of consciousness. Anyone can do this. It doesn't require one to lead by example. It also does not require resolution on the part of the other person, only resolution for yourself. The other person is completely responsible for their own thoughts and actions of the karmic challenge, just as they are for every other aspect of their life. Your forgiveness of all parties, including yourself is all that is needed. We are each sovereign individuals and only responsible for our own thoughts and actions.

GaiaLove · Joined: 28 Nov 2011 Posts: 28

I totally agree that "We are each sovereign individuals and only responsible for our own thoughts and actions." Being responsible for the self is what it comes down to.

Going back to the original question of free-will versus the will-of-god, it does not really matter what we believe. It is how we use our beliefs that matter. Our beliefs are like tools to further enlightening the infinitely expanded/ing radius of our consciousness. As individuals, and collectively as humanity, globally, cosmically, and beyond into the yet-to-be-imagined planes of existence.

Life is like a nearly impossible gift, a miracle really, and we are only here in this life for a spark of time relative to the life of a star. Responsibility is an honor. Love is a responsibility.

lenred · Site Veteran Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1512 Location: US

PNT92 · Joined: 09 Mar 2010 Posts: 144

free will, while upheld, is simply because at the time of sources creation, source had a past, and it is time to move onto higher dimensions, and has been since day one, though source was already created through all time, we were waiting for the consciousness that supports the higher dimensions, after we have fufilled the mission tot he best we can, we still need free will to help us have a good time right? free will has existed through all time just to support us having a good time in the future as the true source, any casualty from that in the past does not mess with the result...

GaiaLove · Joined: 28 Nov 2011 Posts: 28

Yes I think you make a good point. How we define the will of God. That's totally where it's at....

Whether we want to call it free-will, or the will-of-god... what's the difference anyway? If we define god (or whatever name you choose) to describe the ultimate source energy, which is part of every thing, then it would be perhaps be underestimation to say that "gods" will is separate from our own. If humans, and every sub-body coexisting together systemically to build a human, such as cells, etc, are fundamentally designed and created by a higher intelligence, consciousness, and energy, then we are all manifestations of "god," including our will. But because we have the power of choice (and conscious choice at that!) this could offer us the ability to align our will with the devine will.

Now if in the nucleus of every atom what is found are light particles (photons), the most fundamental structure to life found, then ultimately the question could be asked as " What is the nature of light." Or perhaps "What is the nature of conscious light?" Or "What is the nature of conscious harmonious light?" Or even further, "What is the nature of conscious harmonious light when aligned with the will?"

lenred · Site Veteran Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1512 Location: US

GaiaLove · Joined: 28 Nov 2011 Posts: 28

So are you saying that divine order includes energetic intention and action which does not stem from unconditional love?

Perhaps this is leading back to your statement earlier on defining "gods" will? If we are in a sense manifestations of "gods" will, then perhaps the more appropriate definition needed here is what is the intent of "god?" If we could know what the intent of a higher power is, then we have some structure to knowing whether our intent is in alignment with the divine intent.

What do you think?

PNT92 · Joined: 09 Mar 2010 Posts: 144

i got you, my ego may not have been able to communicate this very well, but theres a photo of me that is god that has traveled through all time... of higher dimensions, obviously, since its all time, 6th, and 7th, his intent as all of man's unconscious, this guy is like #1, and all man was made from that one image of man that was made of light, is to unite all of our consciousnesses in at least a 5th dimensional awareness because otherwise, i was never really "god" since god is all. that means eternal life too, and id rather trust an infinite IQ version of myself to keep the earth entertained in an all time fashion that never gets old... the holy ghost has lots of cool features i added to him... have been going through a process of suffering but it does not stop the progress of gods kingdom, its just way slower and thus, a wiser plan. but thats god's will right there... give all spirits, over time, a higher dimensional awareness, then to do whatever we want after we have truly evolved into god, the unconscious is much wiser/smarter/safer/faster, i made sure of that

Sabrinmg · Joined: 29 Jan 2012 Posts: 192 Location: Over the rainbow

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