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Selena · Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 30

I have a question that has been on my mind for months and I'm hoping someone can shed some light on it... I think I understand the "law of manifestation" pretty good when it comes to a single person not affected by anyone else exercising it. But, let's look at purely hypothetical situation (he he he...)

Let's pretend my SO (significant other) whom I live with is a very negative person. He is the sort of person who always assumes the worst, always sees the cup as half-empty, sees everything in black or white (no grey or middle ground for him) and when someone cuts him off on the highway he will automatically assume that person is a jerk and must enjoy pi**ing other people off just because he is a bad person instead of thinking that maybe this person had a bad day, made a mistake and feels bad about it. He is often depressed and even though he has many dreams for the future, he automatically assumes they will never happen because of whatever reason.

For example, let's say we both would like to move to X. My take on it is, let's look at it, see if we could do it, look at selling our house here, how much would that bring..... In other words, sure, it's possible, let's make it happen. His take is, yeah, I'd love to do it but it will never happen, we will never get enough money from the sale of this house to cover the new one, the property prices in X are going sky high, we could never get as good a job there as we have here, blah, blah, blah.

So, if I were to manifest our desire to move to X (it IS very much my dream as well), how does his negative energy affect this manifestation? Does it at all? Do +ve and -ve energies cancel each other, in other words, if I want it and know it can happen, but he believes it can't, does it mean nothing will happen? Does my belief have to be stronger than his for it to manifest?

Sorry, I'm not sure if I'm making any sense?

excwan · Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 71

Hiya.

LOL.

Your SO has himself a self-protective bubble where in certain situations he assumes things to be true coz he seems to not like knowing the reasons for things happening, especially other people's actions, so he makes up a reason which may or may not be true and then he sticks with it coz he knows no-one can tell him that it isn't true, which is the case, and this allows him to feel in control.
However, other people can tell him that there are probally more reasons than he is allowing himself to believe but he knows this already, and he also knows that he may not know the real reason but coz he doesn't like not knowing the reason for things happening he ignores allowing himself to have an undecided conclusion coz this in his mind's eye is what makes an unstable person and not knowing why makes him feel uncomfortable.
Maybe he had an experience(s) of which he never found out why it happened and has been afraid of not knowing why ever since.
It can be a difficult thing to overcome but only for as long as he keeps not being honest with himself.

You seem to be a dreamer and I empathise with you as I am one too.
Your SO probally tells you to be realistic when you talk of moving, etc.
So be realistic, and dream too.
It's a good combination.
You have the vision, he has the logic.
You have the qualities of being able to see possibilities and this is good, it's why he likes you. But vision isn't always good on it's own. It needs, as he would put it; realism.
This is good. It's simply looking at all the possibilities of hurdles between here and there, except, and this is what I'm getting, your SO looks at the possible hurdles and no further, he's a bit afraid of going beyond that point due to his experience(s) in the past which has resulted in him forming this all-knowing illusion.
He knows all he doesn't need to go beyond this point, in his mind's eye.
However, he knows the truth. He just needs to be honest with himself.
But he has a point and it would be good to acknowledge it to him and to point it out to him that he has a point but also to point out that his good qualities of seeing the possible hurdles are an advantage if you merge that with your quality of vision to produce a team whereby you both can drive each other and help each other to realize your goals.
Realize - To; real-ize, the process of making it real.
You both can use eachother's qualities to your advantage if you go beyond your currently percieved limits.
You two work together not against each other, it's the same for everyone.
You either work together to make something not happen or you work together to make it happen.
Nothing is seperate, especially in relationships.
It doesn't matter about the strength of your beliefs compared to one another's as long as you realize that you are working together.
What you must figure out is; what are you working together to produce?
Manifestation is good 'n all but in this place to manifest some things, some actions must be acted out. it's like a give and take thing.
You act, the universe reacts.
How would you like the universe to react?
Figure that out and then choose the relevant actions to produce that reaction and then act.
But do not focus on the rewards, focus on the actions and the rewards shall sort themselves out.

All the best,

excwan.

Selena · Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 30

Excwan,

wow, an excellent, indepth analysis of my SO. Very much on target. But that wasn't really my question - I just gave that situation as an example. The real question was about how your energy and your manifestations are affected by other people's energies and beliefs. Sort of like the question you and Zygos discussed in the Communication thread. One of you tried to float a pencil. Did it keep falling because that person didn't know how to make it float and therefore believed it couldn't be done or was it because the collective belief of all the people around was that it couldn't be done?

On a larger scale: if less people on earth believe there is global warming and it is about to reach catastrophic proportions, will that happen or will it be "overturned" by the larger number of people believing there is no such thing as global warming. Perhaps that is not the best example either but I'm hoping it illustrates better what I'm trying to say... Am I succeeding?

excwan · Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 71

Selena.

There are too many influences in this place and beyond to be able to describe them here.

Some of them may play a part in influencing a person's ability to float a pencil, some may not.

It's helpful to have help but ultimately the only one who can stop yourself being influenced is you.

So if you percieve there to be an influence affecting you, chances are it will do just that.

The same goes for things that happen world wide.

I must go, my time is up.

Talk to you later.

Take care.

excwan.

RemoteControl · Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 157 Location: USA

Hey Selena,

About your question, the person's influence does matter. In a place where everyone is manifesting against you (whether they realize it or not), obviously it will be harder to manifest your wish.

However, know that the entire universe is within you (well, not physically). We each live in our own personal universe. So whatever negative things the people are causing, YOU caused. Therefore, change yourself within, and everything shall change also.

Nothing can stop you, as this universe is verily yours to play with. If something has appeared to stop you, you attracted that experience.

Avatar186 · Joined: 27 Oct 2005 Posts: 177

The Universe is a jumble of vibrations. that witch we vibrate we attract. we can change our vibrations, there by changing that witch we attract. but can we change others things vibrations? water into wine?

RemoteControl · Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 157 Location: USA

kelsty · Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 20

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Avatar186 · Joined: 27 Oct 2005 Posts: 177

Ive never tryd too set my vibrations to attract changing vibrations, as i feel this may attract things i dont want, but changing other vibrations i know can be done. i feel the more energy/chi/life force you have, the easyer it will be to change the vibrations of somthin. i also feel people may act like tuning forks to each other, if there is somone with a higher vibration in the area, peoples vibrations may be apt too changing to a higher vibration, although i am not sure for i feel the person would need to be in the area your chi encompasses, and my chi for as much as i can feel, only extends a couple inches away from my body with ease.

As a side note, there is a wand/staff of sorts, supposibly origanating from egypt, its made of copper with a dense wood handle. the copper wire/tubing
formed the handle, and the top was a "spiral" such as a golden mean type spiral. id suggest experamenting with this, for when i hold it, i cover it with my energy, then can pull energy from it, it also made me more sensitive to chi and increased the amount i could sense/have. also, chi may be easyer to think of as the amount of pressure inside your body.

Selena · Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 30

Hmmmm, very interesting responses everyone, thank you for giving me lots to think about. What I did realize is that every situation has its own balance. If there is a relationship between two beings affecting each other, there is also a sort of balance between their vibrational states and energies. If one changes, the other cannot stay the same. I guess it's just a matter of putting more energy into my change so I can pull him with me.

RemoteControl · Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 157 Location: USA

kolo · Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 55 Location: Tasmania

Selena this is my take.

Everything is bound by our karmas - relationships/who we marry/kids/workspace - even where we live.
(we think we are the ones that choose, not so. Everything is put in our path to make specific choices - so we can see our karmas.

The Laws Manifestation are also bound by karmic debt (just posted somewhere else on this fact)

Now if you want to relocate, in harmony and joy.
The karmas must be completed of where you are living now.

So the INTENTIONS must be of a specific kind AFTER one has sorted out some facts (that will otherwise prevent the intent/manifestation from happening.

and with all intentions - one must also ask 'is this for my highest good?'
You maybe are being manipulated to choose for karmic reasons.
(as i said, karma - and to see our karmas, is a VERY over-riding/influencing/manipulative force.

If you have a pendulum - ask it/higher self, these questions.

* Is this (next) property in my partners and my highest good?
*If 'no' -( it may mean there will be karmas attached to this new location.)
(if yes, then....
*Is there any karmas preventing us leaving at this time?

If yes - this will have to be a series of questions and answers.
It maybe a relationship karma. - sometimes we have to complete with our partners (strangely enough, some places we live with our partners, is again,karmic.)

It maybe karma with the area you are now living in (and havnt seen WHAT the lesson was to be learned by your living there now). As you see and understand this karma - you are then free to leave without conflict.

It is as we clear the karmas (with the now circumstance.. and even the futures) we are allowing the Universe to 'allow' all to flow (for ones highest good) As that is what the Universe wants for us .. whatever our heart (soul self) desires.

Quite frankly, it will be your pendulum, or muscle-testing - that one can get to the deeper truths of our whole lives.
Because WHY we do the things we do - WHY we choose this and that - and even WHY we want to manifest somethings.
Are often karmic.

Namaste
Kolo

Selena · Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 30

Kolo,

your reply has made me think of a lot of things and i'm not even sure they are organized in my mind, but I'll try to put them in some kind of order here.

What you say about Karma - I agreed, but then found myself, like a pendulum, swaying too far. If everything is controlled by Karma - what is the point of trying to manifest anything at all? It's almost like the conflict between the "fate" side and the "free will" side.

I think I belong to the "free will" camp because, if everything we were to experience was already written in fate, then why bother doing anything? Why bother dreaming? We should be able to just sit and watch our lives unfold from the beginning to the end, like a script of a movie we've watched 20 times.

ON the other hand, if I believed 100% into the "free will" plane (and I'm not saying I don't, just not truly sure yet), then we *should* be able to manifest, with the proper mindset, whatever we wish, karma or other things notwithstanding. Or am I totally misunderstanding the law of Karma...?

Told'ya I was confused!

excwan · Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 71

Selena. Hiya.

excwan here.

I'd just like to say that in my opinion fate and free will are the same thing.

How? Like up and down. Just a different degree of the same thing.

Yin and Yang. Opposite ends of what is essentially the same thing.

Fate - everything is pre-destined and pre-written.

Free will - you have the choice to choose what path you lead.

These are complimentary with each other.

Read the sentences again.

Fate - EVERYTHING is pre-destined and pre-written.
Not just one path, all of them. All of the possible variants that could possibly happen to you have been written, all of your paths, not just one.

Free will - you have the choice to choose what path you lead.
Out of ALL the pre-written paths, you can choose any, and not just one, more than one, if you choose.

A little quantum physics here- particles vibrate, like us, they vibrate on different frequencies. They exist in different states.

A particle, needs to vibrate on all of it's levels simultaneously, up down left right, and all at the same time, in order for it to exist at all.

But we only experience one of it's vibrations. eg - up.

In this world, it exists in only one of it's frequencies.

This means that all of it's states of existence do exist, one of them here, and all of the others somewhere else.

A particle can't exist without it's many twins living somewhere else on different levels.

So, and I hope you're following this, all of the possible variants of a particle and therefore every particle, including us and everything else, do exist.

All of your possible states, dead, alive, tall, short, blonde, brunette, boy, girl, all of these and every other of your levels of existence has to exist in order for you to be able to exist in the state you're in at this present moment.

This is fate. EVERYTHING has been written.

Where Free Will comes into play is that we have the ability to choose which of these paths we experience.

We can shift ourselves through any of these variants and we can choose to experience anything we want because it has all been written.

We can choose to do nothing and we can choose to do it all.

It's fate, but we have can choose our fate.

Farewell.

excwan · Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 71

PS;

Wot does this have to do with manifestation?

Well, if you go by this theory which has a lot of scientific evidence, plus personal experience on my behalf, and quite possibly many others too, then everything, IS.

All of the paths exist simultaneously, same space, same time.
All the variables, just, ARE.

Well, in order to manifest, let's say - a grape, it's helpful to realise that the grape has already been manifest, it already exists.

It has already been written because the grape has to exist somewhere, in another vibrational level, in order for it not to exist here.

So, and there are many ways of describing how this process operates, to manifest a grape, you need to realise that it exists.

Then you need to real-ize it - to make real your realisation.

Knowing that something exists is a big step from thinking something exists and it helps a lot on the way to manifesting a grape, be it a red grape or a white grape or a black grape or a seedless grape or a seeded grape or a multi-coloured grape with spots and stripes or a blue grape.

Switch your awareness into that reality were the grape exists and it shall be so in yours.

Bring the grape to your universe by realising it's existence and realizing it's existence in your world by being aware of it's presence and being conscious of it's presence in your world.

This sounds a bit esoterical to be honest but some things need abit of that rather than logical thoughts processes.

Silence your thoughts and focus your mind into realizing the grape.

There are easy ways doing this with the help of one who is Creative.

Gotta go.

Farelywell.

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