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Hemlock · Joined: 01 Feb 2010 Posts: 20

That is a difficult question. If you approach it objectively then you can only take into consideration constants and definites, which are very few. Anything I say I have discovered as fact from my workings, but I encourage you to approach my discoveries as lies and attempt to disprove them, along with everyone's facts. It is only after you have attempted to disprove something that you can accept it as truth.

Demons, as far as I can say, are beings that dwell within a realm where magick is life, as most ancients do (the amount of planes could be infinite for all I know). They are as varied in personality as man but demand respect. They have a rigid caste system, however increase and decrease in power are possible.

The most important thing I have discovered are their relations. Humans feel a bond with family, however demons consider you a friend simply for having the same beliefs. Relations are almost unimportant, but if you are truly similar to a demon and summon him, you will find it much easier. For example, greedy people who summon Mammon find it easier.

One exception is insulting them. An insult is not a direct expression of hatred, but the rejection of their beliefs. To state you are not a greedy person, when in fact you are, is to demonstrate contempt for that particular attribute.

Red Raven · Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:12 am Post subject:

It may be of interest to note that spirits or Demons that are fictional can be summoned and are as real as any of the traditional Demons for example the Demons of Lovecraft.

aisinbiya · Joined: 04 Feb 2010 Posts: 6 Location: Brooklyn, New York

this demon discussion is so interesting in how all of you are speaking theoretically.

Now here from someone with a LOT of direct experience.

I am a ritual survivor and the daughter of a demon possessed man. I endured things behind closed doors that no one can ever understand and is hard for me, writer that I am, to ever put to words--I was not even six months old when it started, after all. It took a lifetime of agony to heal and ultimately an exorcism from a Vortex (reiki) healer to finally give me peace.

Very very little of what you think you know about demons is accurate. At least from the western traditions.

Rev. Orlanda Brugnola, formerly of First UU of Brooklyn, taught me something very important when my psychic abilities were out of control when attending one service at that church: demons have no back. This comes from a Hindu story where a demon was threatening a human who called to a goddess and was told this. Because the demon has no back, only a fearsome face, the demon has no real power beyond fear.

Fear is what demons do. As she taught me, and this rang true to my experience, DEMONS FEED ON FEAR. Fear and negative emotions.

What they do is agitate us into feeling more excited, more upset than normal, escalating whatever situation we are in. They play both sides and they train us to do this as quickly and strongly as possible.

They are after FOOD.

We can stop this, of course. Simply by watching our thoughts and emotions. We can recognize a negative feeling or thought and make a conscious decision to not give into that. When we put that control, we kill off the demon's power, defuse the situation, and starve the demon off.

Positive emotions are adversive to them, after all.

It should not be surprising that demons would feed on negative emotions. It is the same logic as offering incense or oils or praise to other dieties. Much of what we do in religious behavior is to feed the entities we desire to feed. The whole logic of "God needs our praise" that Christians say is correct--because there is no reason to believe that if negative beings feed off negative feels, that positive beings do not also feed off our positive behavior.

The choice is ours who to feed--the entities who hurt us or the entities who help us.

d_redant · Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:46 pm Post subject:

Yes of course these fictional beings do exist in the non-physical realms.

Even the cartoon related Superman, Spiderman and others exist in the non-physical realms.

Why?

Because people have put their energy into them.

d_redant · Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: demon question

There are real accounts from real people worldwide of the experiences of demon possessed people. Levitation, Things appearing out of no where and much more. I've seen and heard of many personal accounts.

One thing that yields potent effect against negative energies is healing (reiki,spiritual,etc). Better yet a group of healers can effectively neutralize the effects of demon possession.

Protective fields need to also be erected energetically to keep out further negative influences. Clearing rituals (smudging,salt,energy work,etc) are normally employed regularly by adepts to ensure their environment is clear of all lower level vibrations.

It is surely true that demons feed on fear and negative emotions (jealousy, apathy, grief, fear, hatred, shame, blame, regret, resentment, anger, hostility,etc,etc..). That's their prime source of energy/food. Take away the fear/negative emotions and they can do no harm. As you said they are starved off. In the recent past i've warned certain people that they must never fear demons yet they continued with all the fear to their detriment.

As you rightly said watching our thoughts and emotions is of prime importance.

With respect to feeding other deties with incence certain beings do like certain aromas and energetic signposts which serves to attract and amplify the energies of the summoned beings for whatever desired uses and spiritual communications.

There are also classes of elite magickian who do work regularly with demons of the negative nature for positive uses. Yes this is possible but can only be done by certain experts of various magickal orders who are strong in mind and spirit.

These types of Magi treat all classes and legions of demons wit Respect and Reverence.

Hemlock · Joined: 01 Feb 2010 Posts: 20

No offense, but to accurately gather information and discern the truth you must assume all facts and theories are lies until you attempt to disprove them. It is also important to remember that people lie. Personally I have never had a violent encounter with a demon.

Also, red raven, I believe you are referring to Cthulu (I have forgotten how to spell it). Many have theorized that it is a reference to his personal workings with Asmodeus, if he truly was an occultist.

As for other fictional beings, summoning is an Art in heavy reform, and many theories have been developed to explain the effectiveness and aspects of the rituals, however I am not in a position to start declaring fact.

d_redant · Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:52 pm Post subject:

Same here. I have never had a violent encounter with a demon.

Yep people do lie about things.

Have you ever heard about people being choked by their neck and lifted off their beds? These are some encounters I've been around about 10+ years ago. They attributed it to other people were sending these spirits to attack the targets. With various crafty work the influences were averted anyway. In any event I see those attacking spirits as familars and not really demons.

Anyway if I am not wrong the word Demon means Intelligence or Old Intelligence ... Correct me if I am wrong..but Demons are highly intelligent beings who have been around for eons and eons. They're not dummies and most people who 'Command' demons only serve to insult the intelligence and wisdom of these beings...and these are the ones who face some form of defiance from the demons.

Anyway for myself I don't summon demons in my magickal operations but I do respect them all.

After all Demons like every other lifeform in the Universes have their place and function in the overall scheme of things.

aisinbiya · Joined: 04 Feb 2010 Posts: 6 Location: Brooklyn, New York

I want to make another comment about demons, one that is very personal given my life experience.

in order to possess a person, demons REQUIRE CONSENT. That is, a person MUST SAY YES to them. A demon CANNOT TAKE A PERSON OVER WITHOUT CONSENT. Now they can wear you down, keep pushing and pushing and pushing until, as a tortured person, your will breaks and you say "yes" to make them stop. But unless you actually do say it, THAT CAN'T.

My family has at least five generations of possession. I finally learned the truth during a vortex (a type of reiki) healing session. I met the healer at last year's Samhain service with an NYC group I found on facebook. When he was working on trying to cleanse my energy, he found SIX DEMONIC PARASITES embedded in my third eye, throat, heart, solar plexus, ovary, and basal spine chakras. In other words, everything but the crown since my soul is so powerful at the crown and the light is too intense there.

Extracting those parasites (exorcism) was VERY HARD--it required lowering shields I did not know I had, defenses that I had put up as a hereditary that are so unconscious it was impossible to detect them until forced to consciously lower them. Lowering those shields was a physical pain on the same level as my chronic daily migraine and having wisdom tooth surgery! It was that bad!

The parasites told the healer where they came from and how they got there and the story of my father's demon possession emerged--all the pieces finally clicked!

This is a deeply personal story, so I do ask that no one attach my name to it if repeating it.

My father infected me with the parasites as a strong attempt to possess me with demons like him. But i said "no" and never stopped saying it. The parasites were strongly embedded in my spiritual system and upset everything I did, messing with my empathy, causing me to hyper-react and come off crazy. they distorted my words and made it hard for me to say what I mean--remember that one was in my throat chakra. They twisted my Sight so I would not follow it accurately and make bad decisions. They messed with me in ways that are hard to put into words. And of course they fed off me and drained off my life force. They triggered depression and gave me a crummy outlook on life.

And they steered me into totally wrong directions at every turn.

I was intended by the demon in control of my father to be possessed myself. I kept saying "no"...all the way until I could get help with getting those things out of me.

All it takes is to keep saying "no" and there are limits to what they can do to you.

As for the magi who interact with them. I think that is extremely stupid, imho. I know they are very crafty and should not be played with. That is a dangerous game. For in the end, you cannot play them--they play you. The best thing to do is to use Light to destroy them and limit their influence. They have had too much power and control on this world the past 500 years or so. Everything is out of control

It is time to put things back to balance.

d_redant · Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:33 pm Post subject:

Classing Magi who work with Demons as Extremely Stupid is a very harsh thing to say.

Experienced Magi are not the normal folk. They are not newbies trying to figure their way out. They are highly experienced and of sound mind and spirit. They are not weak people. They have tons of experience in working/communing with various Demons.

While you choose not to play with demons these Magi choose to work together with demons for various uses...and they do it quite sanely and safely...all without being harmed.

It all boils down to being weak. If someone is inherently weak spiritually they will be open to possession. If they have alot of grief or traumatic stuff in their lives its even worse.

Also most of the possessions in the world are NOT demons but other discarnate entities!!! Like human souls who have passed on and others.

How possessions mainly happen is that a discarnate entity runs towards the colored lights of a persons aura and gets caught in the magnetic field.

Holes and rips in the Aura is what causes these entities to be attracted to the person in question. So its always good to cleanse, clear and seal the auras every day.

Anyway insulting others and their practices is not the best way to go about discussing this topic.

aisinbiya · Joined: 04 Feb 2010 Posts: 6 Location: Brooklyn, New York

I did not call the people stupid, I called the behavior stupid.

As in grossly unwise.

What would you want me to say given my history? I have emailed you privately concerning some of my current problems involving one.

I have posted here how six demonic parasites have affected my life. And I have specified how generations of my family have been possessed.

This is not some abstract topic to me. This is PERSONAL. This is MY ENTIRE LIFE. This is my relationship with my family. And this is my own body that has been grossly despoiled by what I suffered and endured.

This is my inability to bear children because of what happened to me.

Do no call me harsh because I know just how dangerous those things are!

i speak from first hand knowledge, from having those THINGS inside of me!

Play with them and you shall be played!

I am not talking about abstraction. I am talking about how my family became cursed! I am talking about how my suffering started, centuries ago!

Foolish behavior is foolish behavior. Only arrogance thinks it is no so!

Now listen to someone who has come out of that fire!

I know of what I speak!

I have far more direct experience with demons than any of you can imagine!

And I have a lot of motivation to speak what I know.

My father was deceived before the age of consent, before he had any idea what was going on. The way to attack and do something about what happened to me is to inform you of the danger and tell the truth.

To demystify them.

There is no such thing as safe manipulation of a demon. They are the ultimate manipulators.

you can fight them, not control them.

do let let them convince you of anything else.

If I were not good at resisting them, I would have been possessed long ago.

d_redant · Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject:

And just because they can do something you cannot comprehend does not make them stupid or unwise. It just makes you a little ignorant.

Your given history is your life experience and does not determine or mandate how others will experience Demons.

So forcing your notions upon everyone else will not work here.

With that said I will reply to you privately but using this forum to carry on your demon bashing will not be welcomed.

I do not like the way you are trying to steer this whole thing.

Now listen to someone who has alot of first hand exprience too..and all i see in you is alot of fear..towards demons..

"Don't play with them",etc,etc..

I do agree that no newbie should play with demons but what you are doing here is judging others and their own beliefs and practices.

You can share your experiences here but I will not allow you to shove it down people's throat as if only YOU know the best about demons..as well as bashing any others who have other beliefs.

This sort of Mentality reminds me of the Church and its ways of forcing down notions down others throats.

This sort of mentality won't work here.

Hemlock · Joined: 01 Feb 2010 Posts: 20

Summoners have always been judged harshly, we who traffic with demons understand this. I also understand your anger, however if indeed she truly has suffered from these attacks, I can understand the belief it is a demon, let's not bullshit ourselves, two thousand years of dogma has it's effects on humanity. Aisinbiya simply came to the conclusion most people would, and then defended it with the passion common among occultists. Being misguided is the fault of false information and ignorance from society.

I hold no hatred for the attack on my character, and if you're willing to research and read, I have many resource texts and websites with excellent information on demons, so you can better assess your situation, and the Ancients as a whole.

d_redant · Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject:

I hold no hatred too. We are open to everyone here but a clear line is drawn when it succumbs to bashing others magickal practices.

Everyone is unique.

Sorynzar · Guest

I do not fear demons or others of the like. I respect them for what they ultimately are, powerful spirits who will create in our universe whatever, we task them with. It is for this reason that over the years a fear has been built up surrounding them. This fear has become a thought form designed mostly by the early church who disliked the idea of the ordinary folk gaining what they most desired and overthrowing the church's new found power. From this they contorted the stories of the ascended master to invoke fear, ultimately controlling the populace which they governed.

As I have said before the church name them demons because they can manifest what the church term the cardinal sins.

If you get scared and aggressive towards a wild predator it will attack you. On the other hand, if you treat the beast with honour and respect it can assist you.

I have called upon the Goetia in times of need, I have not required full blown ritual or insulting words that would rile the spirit. I have treated them with respect and in a positive frame of mind after which I have received what I humbly requested.

Red Raven · Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:39 am Post subject:

this demon discussion is so interesting in how all of you are speaking theoretically.

I was not speaking theoretically aisinbiya I was speaking from experiance.

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