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DarnocRis



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:55 pm    Post subject: Wanting to buy a Radionics Device Reply with quote

I'm a little late to the party but I'm looking to buy a Radionics Device, anyone got one or recommend a genuine website which offers radionics machines for sale?
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rodan



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 6:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Wanting to buy a Radionics Device Reply with quote

DarnocRis wrote:
I'm a little late to the party but I'm looking to buy a Radionics Device, anyone got one or recommend a genuine website which offers radionics machines for sale?


I don't own one, but, from what I've read, the Rad 5 Radionics model, built and sold by Karl Welz ( price: $3399.00 ) is probably the best choice, if money is no concern.

More affordable radionics devices are the passive models. (non electric....there are some models with built in amplifier which use a nine volt battery ). These you can get for 200.00 to 325.00, approx.

I've been thinking about buying a passive model, just not sure which to buy.
Charles Cosimano has a five dial box for $ 300.00 that has an amplifier built in. That may be a good box.
Then there is the Wishing Machine, $ 195.00 shipped, passive model, and a version with an amplifier added for about $ 325.00. These are nine dial boxes.

From the reviews, I think either the Wish Machine or Charles's ( I think they are both built by " Dr. Mulder ".

And, if you haven't done it yet, just do a search in Ebay " Radionics Machine " and you will see several from other companies.

If you do go with the Rad 5, do a search for Karl Welz Rad 5 and you will find several sites that sell them.
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DarnocRis



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:45 am    Post subject: Re: Wanting to buy a Radionics Device Reply with quote

rodan wrote:
I don't own one, but, from what I've read, the Rad 5 Radionics model, built and sold by Karl Welz ( price: $3399.00 ) is probably the best choice, if money is no concern.

I came to this conclusion a few days ago, in order to complete my research I'll have to buy a device to prove or disprove if they work or not.

It would seem that Karl Hans Welz devices appear to be genuine and that I should avoid all the other machines on the market as they are copy cats, Welz appears to be the only one still in business.... also none of the devices have reviews which I find odd. Oh and regarding the Welz website, I've come across a few typos and dead links.

I've asked lots of questions and I've found the replies to be very generic.

Thank you rodan for replying to this.
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rodan



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something to add.....

I've downloaded and used the free version of Cybershaman VIII ( radionics software ) and have been messing around with it, off and on.

As far as using it to bring in money, I can't say I've had any real success, so far.....however, in a couple of other areas, I think I did.

1) I live with an older brother that has high blood pressure to where he takes blood pressure medicine. For several months, I've logged his blood pressure readings, twice a day, for his doctor visits. One morning, I set up Cybershaman with the intent of lowering his blood pressure ( the intent was " my brother has normal bloodpressure ". )

I ran this a day before his doctor visit, and, I did not take any blood pressure readings on him that day, or the day of the visit. When the nurse took his blood pressure, she took it again. Then left and brought in another blood pressure unit and tested him with that. I asked her what was wrong, she said, well, nothing. This is the best blood pressure reading he's ever had. It was very near normal range. He's never had a reading like it in his history.

2) I've always had trouble growing cantaloupe in our garden, never had much luck at it. Three years ago, I tried it again. I had some old seeds from cantaloupe the previous year, from the insides of store bought ones, and planted those. After a couple of weeks of planting, I took a digital picture of the area, uploaded it into my computer, and used that picture in the target area of Cybershaman. I set the intent to be, " grow big, healthy cantaloupes ". And let it run for a couple of days.

I'm not much of a gardener, the garden is mostly used by my brother-in-law. I plant what I want, and never go back out there for a while.
I think it was the last week of July, my brother-in-law asked me if I was checking out the garden. ( He knows I rarely do ) Then followed up with I had some really nice cantaloupes ready to pick, a lot of them. I couldn't believe my eyes when I checked it out with him there. There were large, healthy looking cantaloupes, everywhere. It looked like I had two different types, which makes sense from the seeds I kept from the ones I bought at the store the previous year.

Last year, I didn't plant any, but a few " volunteer" ones came up, and, they were average looking, some not too healthy.

This year, I planted a row, and, we had a great summer for a garden, lots of rain, and lots of sunshine. I only had a handful try to grow, and, they died off before they grew big enough to pick.

Last year, and this year, I did not run an intent for them in Cybershaman.

Was it the radionics software program, ( Cybershaman ) that lowered my brother's blood pressure, and, the great crop of cantaloupes three years ago? I think so. I just don't see how this could have been a major coincidence.

Those are really the only two major things I got from radionics, though over the past three years, I've had some smaller manifestations.

I have yet to purchase a radionics machine, ( have built a three dial passive one, but, can't say I've done any good with it, that I know of )
I just put it back to work on a new intent yesterday.

If I buy one, I'm really leaning on a 195.00 dollar (passive) wish machine, or, Cosimano's five dial 300.00 one, which I think has a built in amplifier.

The Welz Rad 5 priced at 3399.00 is way out of my league, at least for now.

I wish you well on your research of radionics machines, and look forward to the results.
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DarnocRis



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still sceptical, however a few days ago I ordered something radionics related. I don't want to say what, but it is currently held up in customs and it looks like I'm going to have to pay more money just to get it delivered. I have my doubts about theses devices but I also have curiosity.

It also doesn't help that I get a new email every three days asking me if I'm still interested in buying a radionics device? (this is from another forum) and do I have any questions? First off he hasn't answered the last three questions and replies are normally "once you buy one I'll explain everything"..... also his website more less says that theses devices can make you a magnet for the opposite sex, which makes me even more sceptical.

I'm pleased to here you've had some success and I wish you and your brother good health.

Thank you for telling me about Cybershaman, I'll look into this immediately.

I'll post again when my device arrives.
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rodan



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet custom agents do a bit of head scratching when they check out a radionics device in shipment. They got to be thinking, " WTF is this thing?"

From looking at the few radionics forums available, there is just not very many people doing this. There may have been a renewed interest in it a few years ago, then, the hype went away.

I guess those that did participate in these forums migrated to facebook and twitter, that would account for lack of activity in the forums, I guess. You would think if these devices worked, everyone would want one. Evidently, they do not work consistently, nor for everything intended for.

What I find even more interesting, anything from a " paper radionics diagram " ( yes, that's right, a design of a radionics machine imprinted on paper ) to the more sophisticated, and expensive Karl Welz devices, have been reported to work for the operator.

My assumption is, those that do still practice radionics, have it working for them. The few that build and sell them, probably have a difficult time selling them to new customers, and, some may tend to push a sale.

I checked Cybershaman Home, and, you can still get the free version of Cybershaman by sending a request email to, sales@gocs1.com, and you will be sent a download link.
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DarnocRis



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the end I had to pick it up from the post office, could not believe how light it was and the customs charge was outrageous.... I've never had to pay this much in customs before, it was over $90!

I opened the box expecting to find a picture of Karl Welz pointing and laughing at me, to my shock it was the device I ordered and the power adapter, no instructions or anything. After comparing the HSCTI paper invoice I got to how much that has come out of my bank account, I have to say its DODGY. Karl Welz must be making a lot of profit out of just selling one device.

I mainly use my machine for optimizing water, and so far my skin is much clearer. Haven't used it for anything else let. but for optimizing water it gets a big green tick. I have heard of the paper radionics diagram. seen it on youtube, but I haven't tried it yet.

Just wanted to update you, and thanks for sticking around. I don't know if I'll buy another device from Karl Welz. I'm still trying to digest that customs charge.
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rodan



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

$90.00, that is a stiff charge by customs. I've always wondered if something stopped by customs and examined, was at their expense., customs itself, since, I'm thinking it's a government agency, and supported by taxpayer dollars. Guess not.

I've listened to a couple of radio interviews ( on youtube ) and read in the forums ( not the Karl Welz site ) how those that purchased the RAD 5, really liked them. I've never really read or heard, specifically, what intents they manifested with the RAD 5. Just generalities.

What I have picked up from experienced radionics users, they suggest a beginner start out with the lower priced devices, which most of them are passive, that is, not run by electric.

However, a new radionics user may think, " the more I pay, the better the device and better the results ", which, then, leads to the question, is it the placebo effect that makes these things work? For that matter, just about everything newly offered, may work off the placebo effect.

Referencing the radionics software, Cybershaman VIII, the free version. If you get no response to a request by email, you could get it from the Cybershaman Tribe website, ( click Discussion, then, Forum, then select the most recent posting, I think it's Nov 2015, and, you will see a " dropbox " link you can download Cybershaman VIII free.
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DarnocRis



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rodan wrote:
I've listened to a couple of radio interviews ( on youtube ) and read in the forums ( not the Karl Welz site ) how those that purchased the RAD 5, really liked them. I've never really read or heard, specifically, what intents they manifested with the RAD 5. Just generalities.


I wouldn't mind listening to those radio shows myself. I'm still interested in buying the RAD 5, its just I paid $369 and got a customs charge of $92, how much would it cost me if I paid $3000 for a device and custom got its hands on that?

rodan wrote:
However, a new radionics user may think, " the more I pay, the better the device and better the results ", which, then, leads to the question, is it the placebo effect that makes these things work? For that matter, just about everything newly offered, may work off the placebo effect.


That's exactly what I was thinking^^^.
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rodan



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the title of a show I've listened to a few times, it's in youtube:

"John MacDonald and Jef Harvey: Radionics and Chi - Truth Connections Radio" ( Youtube )

The host of Truth Connections interviews both of these men. Both have the RAD 5 ( and probably more other radionics devices ) and speak highly of them. MacDonald, I believe, says in the interview he learned from Welz, I take it as Welz was his mentor at one time.

Harvey passed away about a year ago.

Both speak highly of the RAD 5 and Karl Welz.

It's my understanding anything from the paper radionics to the highly sophisticated and very expensive Welz's devices work. However, the better the device, the faster the results.

Even those that have owned an expensive device will tell you that.... just about any radionics device will work. Many that do radionics build their own, or, have them custom built. If you are good with your hands, somewhat detailed, this is a good route to take, especially if you have some knowledge of electricity, ( diodes, capacitors, soldering, etc. ) , though, not totally necessary. I built a rather crude three dial one, and, it looks like a six year old built it. It's a passive device. Nothing electronic in it. Can't say I've manifested anything with it, though.

This man, Burt Goldman, explains what he thinks radionics is, in it's simplest form. He believes you can do radionics without even a device. He believes it's the " intent " that makes this work. I tend to agree, somewhat, at least.

One thing he stresses, as I found in some of his other youtube videos, he emphasizes, " Nothing works 100 percent. Nothing works all the time". He was not only referring to radionics, but other " woo " stuff.

A short youtube of him:

" The Art of Radionics " ( Youtube )

A man who wrote a book on it, I recently came across his name, I don't have the book, Duncan Laurie. One of his books, " The Secret Art " ( good reviews on Amazon )

I've been looking for interviews of him, there is not much out there.
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DarnocRis



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks rodan, I'm grateful to you for providing the title of a show. I've just listened to it and found it to be very helpful, a lot of good info and it answered many of my questions. Its also renewed my interest in the RAD 5.

If I do order a RAD 5 however, that customs charge is mighty worrying. I'm thinking it might be worth it, I mean its worth the risk.

So sorry to here that Harvey passed away.

Yeah I'm still sceptical, but it might be very interesting.... still, I wouldn't mind giving it a go.
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Magus8866



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a few machines, and I just got a great deal on the Welz 2400 HD .. I will tell you how it is after I get it. I heard mixed reviews about Karls machines .. some people say they are cheaply made .. others swear by them ... I have been involved for a few yrs doing RAD ... I never thought about Karls machines because they were so over priced .. but I got a deal I couldn't refuse so I grabbed it ... one company that Iam very happy with is higher power technologies ... they put out some very good machines for good prices ... just as good as Karls if not better ... Check them out .. I put in an order about 5 wks ago and still awaiting for a machine from them .. his Thundertech Pro ... I hope it comes .. I heard the owner past away but his website is still up and running? I took the chance ... lets see what happens .. I don't understand why the person you ordered your welz machine from just didn't de value the price to save you on shipping/customs cost ... I would def tell them next time if you order again .. they shouldn't have a problem with that!
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DarnocRis



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Radionics is something I just want to dip my toe into, mainly for self improvement..... however, I'm a firm believer "the only person who can help you is yourself". And I can always use it optimizing water.

I bought my machine from HSCTI (Karl Welz himself), I didn't want to go through a third party, as I wanted to support the inventor. I got a thank you email from him and it would have arrived in five days if it wasn't for customs. Still happy with it... I just don't know if I should buy the RAD 5 from him or try a third party? The third party I'm looking at says they will throw in the basic software for free and that's a saving of $120.... also free shipping!

The RAD 2400 HD is the one I've had my eye on since the beginning, it looks like the perfect model for me and my needs, however I'm aiming for the RAD 5. I will look into the Thundertech Pro.
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Magus8866



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, I understand your logic where you want to support the inventor, but I think Karl made a ton of money all these years LOL. From my understanding and talking to many respected people in the field, radionics is a pretty simple set up. Many of these boxes are made simple with simple components, hence the reason why so many people build their own. If you are getting a good deal on a rad 5 then go for it. I got my 2400 for under 1000, which I feel is a great deal since its over 1700 brand new. Also, the machine is basically brand new. I lucked out. I would hold off on the HTP machine just yet, I still didn't receive mine and Iam thinking its because the owner passed away last year. His website is still up but it seems no orders are being shipped out, despite being processed. I hope I do get the Thundertech Pro, I really really like that machine. HTP puts out some good products because my past machine I bought I got very good results. Let me tell you something, you possibilities are endless with radionics. You might think right now that you will only use for water and such .. but as you research and get into it .. you are opening up into a whole other world. Research, research and research ... look into Uncle Chuckie who is a pioneer within radionics ... I learned alot from him ... he likes to keep things simple and I agree 100% with him. Also watch as many videos as you can on youtube ... broaden yourself with as many people views as you can. Then after all that, run experiments and see what happens. Have fun is the most important thing. I think you will be very surprised by the results. I would make my own machines but Iam not inclined with the knowledge of building electrics and stuff. I talked to people who owned Karls boxes and opened them and they weren't impressed at all with the inside. But it didn't stop me from getting one of his boxes, just as long I didn't pay full price for it ... I can't imagine spending over 3 grand on a Rad 5 ... If I can get one for a lil over 1000 ... ok ... but 3000 is steep. Matter of fact, the person who told me he wasn't impressed has a rad 5 and thats the one he opened. I did however didn't mind spending 1400 on the Thundertech Pro .. but I really have something for that machine .. I really like it .. but it seems like its not coming .. Opened a case with paypal already for a refund since its over 5 wks waiting and got nothing ... Also, once you start with radionics, you will end up buying a few machines or making your own because you can never have enough machines LOL ...
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DarnocRis



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've hit a snag, so I haven't bought the RAD 5 yet.... I'm interested to here your opinion on 2400 HD machine?

Believe me I know Karl must have made a shed ton of money out of this, looking at my machine... its not exactly weighty, also it was not built to last (the AC adapter looks cheap). It feels like a basic circuit (child's play) that a young child could put together... I mastered soldering at school and I own a soldering iron, it don't get much use... the truth is I don't know what I'm doing.... I've read that some of these circuits are incomplete (not a full circuit). And I learn best by taking something apart and then replicating it. I built a battery charger many years ago.

When I was a teenager I used to have drawing of circuits on one side of my bedroom wall, the best way to describe it was the wall of weird from Smallville... I really like the 2400 HD, so If I get my hands on one then I might take it apart - or wait for the AC adapter to fail before I crack the thing open.

Uncle Chuckie has some interesting videos - I understand why you say the possibilities are endless.... however, tell me what you think of this website:

http://www.positivechangetechnology.com/

A month ago I would have put Radionics in the same category as scam mail, the stuff you get in the post saying you have won money and to claim that money you need to send THEM money to release the money to YOU! - Now I really need to buy a machine and truly find out for myself.

By the way, that machine I ordered form Karl came with identical chi cards.... I have to say I haven't felt any different carrying a chi card around with me.
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