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Maitreya
Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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| Hm, so Demons can be that helpful, I wonder why people goes with the stereotype and just judge withouth know. |
Let us not get carried away here. Demons, are stereotyped because, like with people, the stereotype comes out of something. Certainly, not all are inately evil, and the reason they descended was because the wanted freedom. This traps them in a catch-22. They were servants to God so they decided to leave, in doing so, they could not emotionally experience the freedom they had. The only way they now have to do that is through humans. Ultimately they want to hang out here permanently. They are not friends, they have a goal, to walk the Earth experiencing emotion and freedom. Why do you think they want and enact such ghastly things? They want to experience the peak of an emotional state because they are generally devoid of it. I warn you from experience that a demon will consume your entire existence. |
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Scarlett_156
Joined: 28 May 2008
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Location: rural eastern Colorado (USA)
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| If evil and good are just a human conception, then how can it be that demons are some kind of followers of Satan or are intent on doing evil? |
Dunno. I don't waste a lot of time thinking about stuff like that.
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| Has anybody ever communed with demons and found that there are those are "evil" just as well as those that are "good"? |
"Good" and "evil" are terms too subjective for my personal tastes. Like people, no h'djinn is ever completely "good" or "bad". Most of them are more complicated than that.
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| I mean, what IS a demon, really? Is it not just a type of spirit? |
Like human beings, animals, plants, rocks, and stars, the hd'jinni are manifestations of energy in the physical realm. Again, the designation of "spirit" is to my mind too inexact to be meaningful.
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| Why are they automatically associated with Satan, and as the enemies of "light," if (again) such ideas of good and evil are human-made? |
People tend to associate anything that makes them uncomfortable, or causes fear, with "the devil". I mean, a lot of people think that cell phones are associated with Satan. That's just how it is.
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| The way I would imagine it, if demons are beings dwelling on another plane, would be that there are those interested in deceit and those that are not. Is it perhaps that those interested in deceiving humans are the only ones that will bother answering? Or are they simply, as another person put it, just very proud and demanding of respect? (Like I've heard that using ... circles, to summon them into ... makes them very angry because it's offensive and binding?) |
The above ideas are in my opinion superstitious and erroneous beliefs, promoted by those who would like for the average person to believe that if he/she attempts to gain access to the non-physical realm, bad things will automatically happen. The non-physical realm is much more complicated than that, and cannot be summed up as one thing or another. Just like life.
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| Is there, all in all, nothing good to be garnered from summoning a demon, period? |
I can only speak from my own experience, which has been that a great deal of good can be gained from summoning an h'djinn. Bad things can happen too. I compare it to walking into a crowded nightclub in the hope of meeting someone interesting. If one has one's wits about one and doesn't get scared or do something stupid, then good things will happen. If one is careless, bad things may happen.
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| And what really happens when you summon a demon? |
All kinds of different things can happen. It depends on the type of summoning, the entity involved, what the magician wants, the degree of experience the magican has, etc., etc. There are numerous variables--again, just like most things in life. It's never an open-and-shut type of deal.
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| It somehow baffles me how one could just pull something out of its native dimension into this one. |
And I supposed that is why you asked these questions. yours in Chaos, Scarlett |
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CJ
Joined: 10 Mar 2008
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Location: Middletown, Connecticut
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| Hm, so Demons can be that helpful, I wonder why people goes with the stereotype and just judge withouth know. |
Let us not get carried away here. Demons, are stereotyped because, like with people, the stereotype comes out of something. Certainly, not all are inately evil, and the reason they descended was because the wanted freedom. This traps them in a catch-22. They were servants to God so they decided to leave, in doing so, they could not emotionally experience the freedom they had. The only way they now have to do that is through humans. Ultimately they want to hang out here permanently. They are not friends, they have a goal, to walk the Earth experiencing emotion and freedom. Why do you think they want and enact such ghastly things? They want to experience the peak of an emotional state because they are generally devoid of it. I warn you from experience that a demon will consume your entire existence. |
A wish to experience something new and enjoy your life doesn't mean you can't have friends. Two people with a mutual goal, learning together and helping each other seems like friendship to me. If they are unable to possess their own emotions without a host, then how is it that they are capable of showing pride while in a non-corporal form? If memory serves, it was written somewhere in Revelation that they could feel fear, the strongest of emotions. If their sole goal was to walk the earth, they would use force to get access to bodies. This has only happened to me on four occasions, one of which was due to my rudeness and was well deserved. And "want and enact such ghastly things"? I can't say that I've come in contact with a demon that wished to harm an innocent. That is not to say that there are none who would do so. There is a large group that would take great pleasure in enacting ghastly things on the guilty. Also, walking the Earth experiencing emotion and freedom is the goal of most humans as well. |
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haywire
Joined: 20 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject: Hi |
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In my opinion a "demon" or demon can be like any other human consciousness, positive, negative or neutral and anywhere between, or something like that. Sorry for the bad English... not my native language.
I have very little knowledge of demons, but I believe I have a few demon friends, although hard to believe, they are blocked by leeches (or some sort of phantasms) that eat my mind and body. This is an interesting matter indeed. I'd also like to know more about ethereal entities etc, and other realms of existence.
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Maitreya
Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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| Walms wrote: |
| Hm, so Demons can be that helpful, I wonder why people goes with the stereotype and just judge withouth know. |
Let us not get carried away here. Demons, are stereotyped because, like with people, the stereotype comes out of something. Certainly, not all are inately evil, and the reason they descended was because the wanted freedom. This traps them in a catch-22. They were servants to God so they decided to leave, in doing so, they could not emotionally experience the freedom they had. The only way they now have to do that is through humans. Ultimately they want to hang out here permanently. They are not friends, they have a goal, to walk the Earth experiencing emotion and freedom. Why do you think they want and enact such ghastly things? They want to experience the peak of an emotional state because they are generally devoid of it. I warn you from experience that a demon will consume your entire existence. |
A wish to experience something new and enjoy your life doesn't mean you can't have friends. Two people with a mutual goal, learning together and helping each other seems like friendship to me. If they are unable to possess their own emotions without a host, then how is it that they are capable of showing pride while in a non-corporal form? If memory serves, it was written somewhere in Revelation that they could feel fear, the strongest of emotions. If their sole goal was to walk the earth, they would use force to get access to bodies. This has only happened to me on four occasions, one of which was due to my rudeness and was well deserved. And "want and enact such ghastly things"? I can't say that I've come in contact with a demon that wished to harm an innocent. That is not to say that there are none who would do so. There is a large group that would take great pleasure in enacting ghastly things on the guilty. Also, walking the Earth experiencing emotion and freedom is the goal of most humans as well. |
I'm sorry if it seems as though I am attacking everyone's judgement (not that you implied or said that), but if you are all to make the next step you must understand that demons are nightmares we created. I will reveal more at a more fortuitous time. Sorry for the archaisism. |
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haywire
Joined: 20 Nov 2005
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In a part you wrote: "I warn you from experience that a demon will consume your entire existence." (sorry I don't use quote). I have to disagree with that, it only happens if you let it happen. Like fear that shreds your aura from the inside, gives an opening. And I don't like the consept of calling any beings "demons" just like that, as usually people have very little knowledge of them, like me for instance, don't actually know much about spirits and ethereal entities (my word for that of a "demon"). And sorry for the bad english once more, not my native language.
Something you call a demon might even be a deceased human being in a confused state.
Sorry but I'm just like this, always have a scientific view of things. (or strive to have)...
All that sounds like teachings straight from a bible (of some religion). The wanted freedom, descended spirits (that were originally good) a.k.a angels, that were banished from heaven etc... (one of them even became "lucifer" and lured most angels to his side?). That is most likely what christians believe, but it is your own choice to believe what you want. [regarding the first post]
I bet summoning "demons" would practically be quite simple (or maybe not), but that's not my thing. I will not conjure. 
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dei
Joined: 01 Jul 2008
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Although I was raised Christian to the point of resenting anything Christian today, I always, in some part, knew the truth that demons were not all evil. Yes, there are evil demons, but mostly just ones who are, say, ones who have experienced much evil and enjoyed it. There are also good demons, ones who do good despite being stereotyped as an unholy being.
In my care there is actually a succubus who radiates an aura of good, who calls herself Lady Sira. She was the one who taught me the last lesson that regards not all demons being evil. Most are just neutral but with very human attributes, like being hedonistic, greedy, pesky, obsessive, and such, while others are good and possibly more pure than the most innocent being on their best days.
However, I said yesterday something regarding demonologists and defilers. Defilers only work with the more evil demons because they themselves are corrupt and evil. They do what they do because they don't know better. So, it is better to correct them over time than to destroy them. Then again, in my opinion, if someone threatens your life with magic and such, you have the right to kick their ass.
That is all. |
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EmeraldTerraWolf
Joined: 06 Aug 2008
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Location: new jersey
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| hello ^^; i was wondering if anyone here would be able to help me out. I am currently dealing with a very strong demon and i need as much help as i can get... it started out in my closet, giving me nightmares and whatnot (thats how it feeds apparently) i had my brother come over to exorcise it, and something went wrong (it was both our first times dealing with one this strong) and now im afraid its in him and im so lost right now. I have the demons name (dunno if i should post it) its been inside him since January (dunno if its feeding off him or not) i just want to get rid of it. |
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dei
Joined: 01 Jul 2008
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I'm not familiar with exorcisms, but I'd be willing to help. PM me with the demon's name and I'll see what I can do. Perhaps if I invoke the name of the Huntress Moon, Artemis, or possibly find the demon's "true name", I could get it out of your brother.
However, to my knowledge, all demons fear not just the invocation of higher powers, but holy symbols like pentagrams and hexagrams work wonders, and, on occasion, so does negotiation and/or trickery. |
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