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Two things I'd like to say about this. I actually voted with the no group who say that on occasion there are times influencing is a necessity. I don't manipulate people's minds, but as a stage 8 guardian angel, I do sometimes manipulate people's pasts. Generally telepathic messages of love to help people up when they're down, that sort of thing, and also sometimes to use retropsychokinesis to counteract the work of time travellers who actually try to meddle with other people's pasts. So far I've only encountered one and he's pinned right now so he can't create any more chaos. The other part in relation to telepathy is that funnily enough, it is neither a symptom or actually a gift to be sought after in its truest form. What the buddhists and Hindus refer to as us being separate, yet part of the same giant soul is actually not only true, but is explained in science as well, yet most people don't know it yet.

From an angelic perspective, God is much like a giant brain. We are all neurons or thought streams which are separate, yet collectively, all sentient thought in the universe makes up god.

In science, this is explained by the Heisenberg principle of the observer affecting the observed. We individually influence and determine reality with our thoughts. Collectively, we shape reality into the world we see. Collectively our thoughts together make up God. So we are both separate as we see ourselves as individuals, but in reality, we are actually part of a much larger reality. A single giant thought entity, much like neurons make up a brain or thoughts make up a single mind. And it is this reality that physical matter is superimposed over, because it is this collective thought, working in our world and behind it, to shape reality as we see it. Telepathy then is actually focusing one's ability to tap into the higher mind, and follow along the thought stream to communicate with another "cell", " thought", or person. It's why when I do conciousness time travel, I generally telepathically link up with the person whose timeline I'm investigating. Time actually travels and loops and intersects all over the place. It is not linear as we see it, and as for the rest of the quantum mechanics and scientific aspects, I'll get into those later. Toodles. Ezekiel.

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Oh, and Jesus actually still does exist, he's what's known as the christ conciousness, or one concious state of the collective mind. To become enlightened is to actually understand things from the point of view of the collective mind understanding all states of conciousness simultaneously. And Jesus memories still exist with the state of conciousness, like Buddha, Krishna, Mohammed, and everyone else. Thought always exists in some form, and reincarnation is that thought reforming itself into another person but in a fairly similar quantum coherence form as the last lifetime because it missed something the last time and needs to acheive more in a fresh life. Oh, and the collective reality, that also applies to all planes of existence, including Heaven and Hell, and all possible paratime dimensions (dimensions written about we'd consider fictional) and Heisenberg alternatives (alternative universes postulated by Schroedinger as in his example to explain Heisenberg's work, " Schroedinger's Cat."). So point being, this stuff exists, and can be explored safely if you follow your guides. Anyway, have fun. Oh, and the way how Jesus comes in the door with the badguys, you'd be surprised how Hinduism and in some places like Burma, Buddhism has been twisted. That is the work of the polar effect to the light christ conciousness, the negative pole to the good pole. If you will, the Godbrain's primal side, Satan. The two are independent entities much in the same way we are. I explained that above. Satan's aspect wants to make control and seize things to suit his own ends forgetting others. The light, good polar end, wants to create a more collective system taking into consideration others. Anyway, I've probably said more than enough for now, so I'll stop at this point, let you guys think about this and say your own piece. Toodles, love and light. Ezekiel.

Uncle Chuckie · Joined: 20 May 2005 Posts: 19 Location: Wisconsin

One should never let one'self be controlled by other people's ethics. Just because someone elses disapproves of what you do is not sufficient reason in and of itself for refraining to perform the action.

Remember, we do not do things because they are right. They are right because we choose to do them.

Storm · Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 7

I'm glad i came across this thread as i've been wondering the samething myself. My situation is that my GF and i, or should i say ex split up very recently because she's fighting demons inside herself and basically right now now she has no self worth and isn't in a very good place. She was the one that called it off and the only reasons that was for is she didn't want to bring me down to 'her level' and she honestly thinks that i'd be better off without her. She still loves me very much and it's killing her doing this to us as she's told me and as her family and friends have told me also. But her thinking is she'd rather set me free now so i find the happiness i 'deserve' and leave her to live her life as she is as she's resigned to living it alone.

These issues have resulted from a past relationship where she was mentally and physically abused and we both thought she was getting past them but it wasn't the case. She's seeing a councellor for them but atm it's not helping a great deal and it could take a while.

Anyway sorry for going on but i just had to explain it properly. While i'm not adept at telepathy,i am reading up on it and practicing sending her loving thoughts. Would anyone class that as manipulating the situation? I'm not trying to get her to love me or anything like that because i know she already does, all i'm trying to do is give her some inner peace and help her feel confident about us like she once did. As she has said to me a 1000 times, it's not that she doesn't 'want' to be with me, she feels like she 'cant' be with me. Any thoughts?

amethea · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 34

hmmm, doesn't manipulated, forced empathy recieving on others, telepathy go along with the laws of 3, and the witches reed? Some rules should be universal, I'm just going to worry about myself and protecting myself....what comes around goes around? Maybe it would just be easier to attract someone as patrick suggested, a wide field of possibilities, coloring a general feeling of love and openess twords you. Hey, I attract all kinds of garbage too, so what do I know?

Zareidriel · Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 41

Before anyone can answer this correctly...what do you mean by 'Okay'? Do you mean Good and Right and Just according to a Christian-Judeo religion? If so, not according to them, you're interfereing in Free Will. Paganists will differ according to their personal moral values. Chaos mages and atheists will say yes, you're only doing what the universe allows you to do.

In conclusion, there is no accurate answer, the way the question is stated, with no backround information about you.

Zygos · Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 207

Hmmm, Ok I first voted, then read the rather amusing thead below it about mind control and such. So the over all the question is, is it ok to influence another person?

My vote is more towards the No catagory, though of course there are times where you may have to go around someone.

For example when you have a newly awakened mundane who is dishing out all their emotional anguish to everybody else, it may be necessary to change their energetic spectrum so it doesn't offend you or others, or to tweak their shielding so it absorbes either thus emotion or reflects it back towards them.

Also sometimes its in the souls best reguard for someone to be healed, even though their ego is afraid. So you merely make sure its fine with the higherself, and/or guardian of the person and go ahead and do the healing.

Forced awakening, in my eyes is probably something to stay away from unless you like creating melodrama; as is this stupid idea of making someone love you.

(Most people who do this; will experience a loss of affection for the person the moment they realize the person who is under the 'lust' is both interested and attainable. And most of the time ends up messy when the person influenced by the love potion/spell stalks them, if not hurts them in the "heat of passion" when they dare to fall in love with someone else.)

As for something being absolutely wrong or right, thats a kindegarten approach to morality. Everything can fall into the gray area sometimes; and for most of us between either the Rede of 3 for the Wiccans, or Karma for myself and others, if you mess with people its going to come back to haunt ya.

And for a note for those who don't belive in any of this backlash stuff, every mundane (Mundane being defined as someone with no psionic awakenment, or potential) out there is protected by these very powerful things called guardians. Mess with the mundane and have fun while 'the guardian' pounds you into the ground. Belive me its not fun.

Zygos

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