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Luluwa · Joined: 03 Mar 2006 Posts: 95

to crowborne - not everyone here is a Wiccan or lives by the rules of Gerald Brosseau Gardner. Everyone exists according to their own personal truths, and you may be surprised to learn that there may be more than just one acceptable way to see the world.

I think most of the people here aren't amoral, but have their own set of principles and values and that's perfectly fine. What some people consider right or wrong differ entirely, just as different cultures and societies have different rules of conduct and taboos. It doesn't they're "wrong", or that people who are foreign or different are inherently bad.

I agree more with what Cobra3 wrote. Those of us who wish to be something more cannot abide by being the pawns of fate. We can become the masters of our own destinies, and there at times consequences for our choices, but we always have choice, we can always redirect or go another way or forge another path.

Life is what you make of it, and from what it seems, the Universe is pretty open to allowing just about anything to happen. It let there be a Hitler, a Stalin, a Mao, serial killers, child molesters, malaria, mass starvation, genocides - many wrongs go unrighted, many criminals either go unpunished or are never punished enough for all they've done. To think the Universe somehow frets over all our petty crimes is beyond me.

d_redant · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:17 pm Post subject:

Basically what you put out you get back..That's all it is.

I always choose the Positive Path over a Negative Path.

Hitler and others all play(ed) their universal roles. That's all that is.

Everything bad that has happened was for the utmost growth of humanity whether you like it or not.

There must be opposing negative forces for the positive to be able to shine forth and more.

The reason for any member being on this site is not to be a pawn of fate but to create your own destiny and reality with magick, manifestation, psychic power and much more from a positive perspective.. Not negative and never condoning negative deeds and action.

It does bite you back. You can run but you can't hide from it.

I been there and done that..and anyone who continually sends negative influence, magick, energy to anyone will feel a backlash sooner or later. Mark my words. Stick to the Positive..

Karma by itself has many various levels..there is past life karma, current life karma, good and bad deeds karma and much more..

Another topic by itself.

It makes no use focussing on debating this issue anyway.

Instead just focus on other things to benefit your life and others.

Caerdon · Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Posts: 120 Location: Canada

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d_redant · Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: conversation

You mean the wiccan people YOU've came across you have had bad experiences with them.. Not ALL WICCANS worldwide.

I know tons of unselfsh non-greedy wiccans all over the world.

Don't class all wiccans as bad because of your own experiences.

In ALL types of Craft this exist. Not jus wicca.

Don't be ignorant.

Caerdon · Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Posts: 120 Location: Canada

he didn't come across as ignorant to me. He said that the ones that he met where greedy and such, he wasn't stating that all out there was like that, he just wants to meet one that isn't. Ofcourse the wording can be taken both ways depending how you look into it.

d_redant · Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject:

Zygos · Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 219

Hmmm. Sorry I entered this topic so late. Seems like a fun one.

In my ever so humble opinion to worry about the karma that other people create is not really worth it. Karma is such a complex issue, and in the end it all works out.

All too often people come to realize that the reason they had a crappy childhood is because of the karma they inflicted in their adulthood.

And some would probably say "Well that's unfair, why am I getting punished for something I didn't already do yet."

And the answer would be. "Its not punishment. Its Karma. You were treated badly in your childhood, so you would treat others badly when you were an adult."

Both sets of karma were meant to be, and were decided before you arrived in this life. There are no victims, and those who inflict on others experience everything they inflict.

And as for the rule of three, that is such a kindergarten term to Karma. Yes boys and girls if you do something bad you will get three times the karma back. *Laughs*. No sometimes its the same factor back, sometimes its 100 times back, and if you piss of the wrong energetic sometimes its 10,000 times back, maybe 100,000 times, or how about a billion?

And yes there is the whole Witch versus Wiccan thing. And no they aren't the same thing. And no one is not necessarily better than the other. They are just both different. One is an ancient path the likes of shamans, druids, and like. And the other is a fad religion, that can sometimes pull people out of their shells and let them see reality for what it really is. Both have insecure whiny people, as well as strong powerful people.

Zygos

Logarith · Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 164

I personally don't believe in Karma, but the Rule of Three is not really valid in my view. It's not a bad belief to hold but is somewhat ambiguous. How does one determine the goodness/vileness of actions and reactions? This cannot be measured by man. Therefore how can one know if the Rule of Three is true if you can't take a bad action and figure out how bad it would be multiplied by three? The concept of Karma is a bit more forgiving in this aspect.

As for the Wiccas being evil selfish hags, I don't think that's true. I also don't think that Magister was saying that Wicca itself is a bad thing. You'll hopefully find a good one some day if she's out there (which I think she is).

~ROBO~

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I have to say I agree with Magister to some effects.

I believe Karma can be Neutralized, if it even exists in the first place. What I believe is that Karma is just an effect of negative thinking. I went through a stage where I was really angry with a lot of things, so much hate that it nearly destroyed me. During this time many bad things kept happening which just exasperated the situation. It could be seen from a new age perspective to be the law of attraction in action.

This goes with what d-redant said. If you do positive you get positive come back to you, from experience, I know this to be true, in both light and dark.
However, as said previously it is not some almighty god like force, which dictates to us what we can and can't do, it is our own perspectives.

I have summoned "demons" and Djinn's with very little ritual protection, if any. Since I do not subscribe to the kneel before me in the name of god, or he will smite you scenario, I have treated them as equal and powerful and had no problems.

Caerdon · Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Posts: 120 Location: Canada

the effects of Karma is more like the pebble in a pond effect. the action you do sends out ripples, except instead of just moving on and on karma is like a wall in the middle which makes the ripples turn back on themselves, reversing on itself and comming back, eventually, to it's origin.

But this is kind of a sidetrack of the main issue of the lack of moral, and Karma really isn't really a good indicator for morals. And think about this, if morals is just an innate feeling of what is right and what is wrong, how is acting out of fear of doing something wrong, of some unknowable force punishing you or rewarding you for your actions considered acting moral?

It's not.

It is, in effect, a form of slavery. Not the worst form of slavery, and can actually be benificial on the whole, but it is slavery nonetheless.

And if you think me wrong on this, ask yourself: how do you train slaves to accept thier allotment? By punishing them when they do something wrong, not unfairly, but hard enough to detere them, and also reward them when they do something good.

Anyway, people seem to confuse karmatic law and morals, when, as i said, being moral is acting off of by what you feel is inherintly good and right, and bad and wrong. Not everyone is going to have the same morals, and not everyone is going to have the same understanding as to what is truely moral, and what we believe to be moral, or have the same moral values.

Some actions and people will seem immoral, and some will seem moral when in actuallity the reverse is true. atleast from your viewpoint and set of morals.

terrelljacobson · Joined: 03 Nov 2009 Posts: 137 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska

On the subject of morality I think that we have to sort out whether or not morals are relative to societies and regions or if they are universal. Personally I believe morality is universal but societies and personal experience have a heavy influence on people's perceptions of what is right and wrong, in terms of ethics and morals. It's this influence that moves people's beliefs further from the truth of universal morals. (what is wrong in one place is still wrong even if society is okay with it) But the problematic part is the whole gray area, in which it's difficult to say one way or another as to whether something is "bad" or "good". In that case one should do what feels right for them. <-- Easy to say, hard to follow

hope this is relevant

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Caerdon · Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Posts: 120 Location: Canada

the belief in karma is pretty much psycho-semantic, atleast that's how some who arn't actually all that affected by it sees it. Basically, you believe in it enough, and it comes true for you, effecting you. ofcourse people also get so wrapped up in it that it becomes a self-fullfilling prophacy to them, they do something bad and bad things happen because they truely believe it will to the extent that it does (same with good things)

Damn, but my brain is on overdrive right now, so i'm losing my coherancy faster than i can type, so hopefully you understood what i'm trying to get across here.

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