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ben-there · Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Posts: 13

Hi folks. I am new in the field of manifestation, so I really need someone to share insight and energies about what "to do". For YEARS, there has been a financial wealth lingering around me. Psychics have seen it, prophets have foretold it, strangers have "felt" it. I have remained silent. I am now entering a major project in this current life, and it seems to be the season for this financial wealth to manifest. I could sure use some focused energies to join me in the manifesting of this issue. Thanks for your kind assistance.

Delighted,
ben-there Smile

Sythix · Joined: 23 Jul 2006 Posts: 23

I recommend you watch 'The Secret' - a free copy can be seen here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3768368899612536095

It deals with the Law of Attraction and how to do it. Very powerful movie.

ben-there · Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Posts: 13

Thanks, Sythix. I will download and listen immediately.
Have a good day,
ben-there

thesoupnazi · Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 72

5 words

"The Secret is absolutely amazing"

If you haven't watched it, then watch it. That is the most i've gotten out of anything and everything about manifestation... all in only an hour and a half.

ben-there · Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Posts: 13

thesoupnazi:
Thank you, thank you. The download on my dial-up computer takes 40 hours and 54 minutes. I am still working on it. Thanks for everybody's advice.
Ready to know,
ben-there

neotechmatrix2002 · Joined: 01 Feb 2005 Posts: 372

I think google took down the video... or maybe its my browser... anyone else have this problem?

thesoupnazi · Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 72

i'm having the same problem Crying or Very sad

Sythix · Joined: 23 Jul 2006 Posts: 23

Yes Google took it down, all of them have been taken down by Google in the past..unfortunately. Try searching "YouTube" for The Secret, I believe you may find it there but in parts.

ben-there · Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Posts: 13

Thanks, Sythix. Will try.

ben-there,

RemoteControl · Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 157 Location: USA

Well first realize that at every instant you manifest, you're already manifesting, and that you can't stop manifesting. What you learn is how to gain conscious control of manifesting.

Here's a fast way to manifest. Simply imagine the feeling of your desire already happening. By doing this you will shift into another reality, the reality where your desire already happened.

I'm not really a fan of "The Secret" or "What the bleep do we know", namely because they present pseudoscience as science, but "The Secret" is still a good movie. Also there's a lot I disagree with in those movies.

Here's a part of The Secret on youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=L5yeHR3RUKo

thesoupnazi · Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 72

i'm not very familiar with manifesting...
so what do you disagree with, and do results show better with what you may do differently?

i'm very interested because i think the secret explained the most i've gotten out of manifesting and i don't wanna make everything i do a habbit if i'm doing something wrong.

ben-there · Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Posts: 13

RemoteControl,

Thanks for your insightful perspective. I agree with soupnazi in that I want to discipline myself "correctly" from the start. I will appreciate further insights that you may share (or further sources).

ben-there

RemoteControl · Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 157 Location: USA

There's a few things I disagree with in the movies, don't think of me as someone against these movies, I just seek the truth, the unbiased truth.

For one, the movies twist Quantum Mechanics to make it seem like your thoughts literally create reality. But thats not Quantum Mechanics says.

QM says that when there's no observer electrons exist in all possible states at once (all realities at once) or superposition. You are not "creating" reality, your thoughts do not "create", reality already exists in all possible states at once when you are not there. In other words, everything that can happen, is happening when there is no observer. The observer is responsible for bringing reality into a particular state. This is not merely "theory" this basically a "fact" as it is the direct result of empirical experimentation with electrons.

QM however does not know if our thoughts really do change reality, or if something else is the observer which determines reality, or what the observer really is, but one thing that it definitely does know is that the observer brings reality into a particular state. The rest of the suggestions in the movie are just pseudoscientific or protoscientific. The "Law of Attraction" has no real basis in QM.

From my personal experience, I can tell you that manifestation is the truth, and definitely works. In my opinion, the way explained in the movies is not the actual way that manifestation happens. From my experience, there is another energy (eloptic, orgone, ether) that has to do with manifestation, when you take your intention or desire and add this energy into it, reality must change, however if you have the intention or desire without this energy, nothing will happen. Emotion is made of this energy.

Also "The Secret" in my opinion gives some very bad advice. The majority of what it says will work, however, you will never gain real manifestation power following its way, and you may end up perpetuating your own suffering following advice from the movie.

Here's the bad advice it gives:
- Do not monitor your thoughts
In my opinion, you should monitor your feelings all the time. I'm not only talking about your conscious feelings, I'm talking about your unconscious feelings. Try to fully relax right now, you'll feel certain points of tension in your back or other areas. You feel those points of tension? Those are same feelings or eloptic energy thats been causing your own suffering since the beginning of time (literally).

If you monitor your feelings, you will be able to forecast your future, there will be no surprises anymore, as you will be able to directly see each thought in correlation with your personal experiences.

Eventually if you keep doing this, you will no longer get caught up your feelings, you will see yourself as existing distinctly from your feelings, as a witness or observer, you will be able to escape ANY type of suffering, and manifest faster then ever imagined, and many greater things you will gain.

- Ignore negative thoughts and just focus on the positive
This goes back to what I just said above. Now remember, all of your feelings (consciously and unconsciously) manifest your personal experiences.

If you ignore your negative feelings (by suppressing them) you are holding on to the negative feeling unconsciously, and "bad" things will forever happen to you, at one moment or another, because you never confront these deep-rooted negative feelings, so they forever exist inside of you.

Also, by ignoring negative feelings and only focusing on the positive you are throwing yourself into delusion. Unconsciously you probably are thinking negatively still. The majority of all operations in your brain are done unconsciously, about 99.99999999% of all things done and all thoughts are unconscious. Also, as long as these negative feelings exist in you, you will never have true happiness, high-energy, fulfillment, because unconsciously, in the back of your mind you are still thinking negatively.

But there is a way to permanently end these negative feelings and thoughts. It involves directly confronting the memory associated with the bodily feeling and then re-writing the memory in ways that you desire. You re-write the memory in ways that are 10 in desirability (on a scale from 1-10). A great way of doing this is base reframing - http://mdgames.atspace.com/base_reframing.htm

As a quick example, say there's a bodily feeling that keeps showing up (like say frustration), and say it comes from the past memories of "things not working out". Now if you trace back those memories associated with the feeling (not the thought) and re-write the memory as "everything worked out better than I could every imagine", the result is that the bodily feeling disappears, and if you've fully addressed it, it never shows up anymore, your unconscious handles things differently, and your entire reality forever changes.

Also, this means that eventually you will be able to reach a state of instantaneous manifestation. If you destroy every negative feeling inside of you permanently, you will create the greatest imaginable reality at every instant, you will finally enjoy every infinitismal moment in time, nothing less than the greatest can happen to you.

Finally, at last you will be able to do and acheive whatever you want in reality, free at last.

ben-there · Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Posts: 13

Wow, RemoteControl,

I am greatly enriched and enlightened by your counsel. Thanks for sharing with all of us.
Your insight in distinguishing between the "thoughts" and the "feelings" is valuable. I have noticed that I am FEELING issues long before the thoughts of the same occur.
Appreciate your wisdom.

ben-there

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