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sondadareas · Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 8 Location: hongkong

Hi to all!

Years ago I had a very lucid dream of having sex with my mother. I had a wet dream! The details are gone but I recall her saying, 'I't OK. Things like this happens.' There was no negativity whatsoever but full acceptance. This was years before I heard of Freud. And he seems to have an insight here: I have this need for security & going back to the womb IS the security. (Recently, I found the page in The Interpretation of Dreams, by Freud, where he wrote, 'Today men dream of having intercourse course with their mothers...')
Then I read Jung who said that the deeper significance is spiritual: we all want to go back to the WOMB. Reunion or final communion with our eternal Source.
Is there a continuation, concept-wise, to Freud & Jung? Can anybody here tell me?
I am also very spiritual & I am amazed at the connection between sexuality & spirituality in my myself.

Years later I read Garden of Sand by Earl Thompson, a story of mother-son love & the full force of my dream came back! I became obsessed about oedipal love & began collecting stories in sex magazines sent by mothers & sons telling of their experiences. Lately, I found myself writing erotic stories of the same type while having morning coffee in McDonald's! I'd write it in the paper tray, then on the way out I'd junked it!
What's going on here? Every morning I do it!

Peace,
sondadareas

deepthinker1987 · Joined: 11 Mar 2005 Posts: 127

have you tried posting your stories anywhere?
~Nick

sondadareas · Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 8 Location: hongkong

Hi,

I posted it here because I am now convinced that it is related to my deep religious feelings. Before, I was in denial, believing that my high libido is unrelated with my sexuality. I had been religious since I was very young ( I'm also convinced now that mystical feeling is innate but in some people it's repressed, but it's there.)
I am a little insecure & it could be that it's my way of expressing the urge to return to the womb, for security. We all have this urge too but it varies with people.

Jung is right in differing with Freud that the instinct to return to the womb has a spiritual significance, not just physical-sexual.
I am just wondering if other people have dreamed as I did & I'm curious to know if they have managed to relate it to their spirituality.

Please let me know if people in this forum find this thread distastefull & I'll just simply erase it.

Peace,
sondadareas

Lazaerus · Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:36 pm Post subject: Dont Obsess.. for your own good

Well, it all comes down to Culture, to one it may be fine to have women Rape men and even be endorsed by male parties, and to others not.. i cant say yes or no.. but your body can!

Inner body wisdom.. it is proven that breeding within close family causes In-breeding, so its only sensical to notify its rather Unatural.. but Nature has a way of changing, Due to Consciousness taking the Flag and pointing the direction out..

I dont like the Idea of Incest, but its also partly just a Culture shock.

Friend, take note.. you can gain security from the Ever incubating sanctuary, your Consciousness never leaves.. nor mine, or anyone else's (I know of)

Just know, if we were of a fish species.. with the Same amount of Intelligence, our security wouldnt Lie within the womb so much, but with the Egg.. it is simply a physical manifestation of Humanity.. Smile

Nothing wrong with that, aslong as you Recognise it Wink

... · Joined: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 2

Might I interrupt your little.. hrm.. tea party? I need you to be straight with me and some of these other people about what you mean by 'unrelated with my sexuality'.

Are you saying you are a gaylord?

sondadareas · Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 8 Location: hongkong

Lazaerus,

Thanks for replying.

I believe in Nature & she has strongly showed us that, throughout history, incest & gayness are relatively rare in comparison with the nomal
heterosexual sexual practice within the universally sanctioned marital union. I know that today these are hot, touchy subjects & I'd rather not go deep into these here.

My point in my post is: Why would Nature use our powerful desire for sex - incestuous/nonincestuous - as the pointer to our unconscious/conscious desire for final reunion or communion with our Source? People have written that the individual search for one's soulmate cannot be fulfilled precisely because we are, in fact, desiring to reunilte with the OverSoul, not with another earthly soulmate.

Please reread my post for I wrote, 'related with my sexuality' not, 'UNrelated with my sexuality'

peace,
sondadreas

MFinsane · Joined: 31 May 2005 Posts: 9 Location: USA

I honestly do not know if this will help you in any way and I am no master of Psychology. I have however read and experienced over the years that ; "A man desires to have a wife that is much like his mother." It makes perfect sence to me. The mother lets go and the wife takes over.

sondadareas · Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 8 Location: hongkong

Thanks MFinsane,

I think you're right: The wife, to be the perfect soulmate, has to be as loving & nurturing as the mother we are leaving. Why grow & leave an already perfect situation? This is again the pull of the Spirit for fuether growth, beyond the merely physical/sexual.

I'm currently reading David's Bohm's Creativity, & here he stressed the oneness, wholeness of the universe. Everything is related to everything else - we are all part of the Web of life( not just the web/internet!).
So what happened to me 2 days ago is very very connected to our present subject!

I found, for the 5th time, the book Garden of Sand, by Earl Thompson!!
It was in the bargain section & this book has been out of print & circulation for a while. I bought it & this is the 5th time I had this book! Before, I'd throw the book away after reading it; out of guilt! But now I've grown up somewhat; I won't throw it again!

I vow to analyze this book; & maybe I could analyze myself!

Peace,
sondadareas

STA · Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 20 Location: PA

Sondadareas,

I hope you don't throw your book away again!!! Get rid of the guilt & shame, you'll be sooo much happier! It sounds like you may be longing for the Divine Femminine. There are similar stories of these relationships or brother/sister combinations in different Mythos. Take for instance the story of Lucifer & Diana. They were brother & sister. He pusued her endlessly, she consistantly denied him. He tricked her by turning into a cat. Diana bore the Goddess Aradia from this union. Aradia is the Goddess of the Strega witches and she came to lead them out of oppression. I believe the Greeks may also have examples of these relationships in their Pantheon. You are likely a good man who holds your Mom & other women in high regard & this may be a reflection of such. Good luck with your self-analysis. Blessed Be. STA

sondadareas · Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 8 Location: hongkong

Thanks STA,

I remember that I shook when I read this book for the 1st time in a Bangkok 2nd hand stall, back in 1975! I was helpless! It triggered something which, I accept now, is within me.
But now I am relieved that the book, after several days of rereading, is not my dark Shadow - coming back to haunt me! It's almost pulp fiction!
(But Thompson was a good writer & he was ignored! A reviewer, I found on the web, wrote that his stories were autobiographical. If he was 47 in 1978 when he died, he would have been 14 when he entered the army- like in the book! But I am disappointed that in the book he failed to see
the deep love which must have in the mother; the physical love merely shadowing all of our - both male & female - longing for Communion.

I'm married & she's my soulmate & she doesn't know that my erotic writings is about that taboo; she'd would be horrified if she finds out! She thinks I'm writing about the mechanics of our almost daily romps! My wife is still in the bible-fundamentalist stage while I've been new ager for ages!
But I love her! It's so fascinating to watch her grow; for I was bible-fundamentalist myself!

My mother died back in 1968, long before Thompson book triggered this interest. I was 20 yrs old & was going to Vietnam as a musician. I remember that while she was in terrible pain, from breasts cancer, she was worried about me going to Vietnam - not about herself dying!
That's love! 'Don't go yet! Wait for a few days.' she said, then she died a few day before we flew to Saigon.

We are all in God even if some of us find ourselves to be 'blemished' in some ways. It's no use blaming other people! It's all within us!

peace,
sondadareas

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