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DonnaM



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fantastic answers from you all. Thank you. I m not convinced that many of you are truly accepting of your humanity though, even you de_redant.

Theres something about most of the comments that radiates a certain air of detachment. I m fine with that though x
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donna,

Maybe this helps or maybe not - we have a popular saying in the metaphysical community:

We are not human beings having a spiritual experience

We are Spiritual Beings that are having a human experience.

Each one of us can be human as long as we like but we have always been and will continue to be Spiritual Beings forever. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Derestanne. Thank you for your help.

Its ok I ve just never been able to grasp why the spiritual/mystical/metaphysical find it so difficult to just say 'I am Human'. Yet can so easily say I am a spiritual being having a spiritual experience.

Its a very detached statement. It sounds like your not really with it (humanness). That your something better who 'Has to put up with being Human for now'. That humanness is somewhat below you?

Dont you think this means that your actually missing something very very fundalmental about the fact you are a human? Not truly delving into humanness?

Does this suggest a subtle lack of humility. Could this a clue as to why many so called 'Spiritual' people remember being human over and over again?

No offence meant.
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Derestanne



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donna,

The metaphysical community is learning all of the time about what it is to be human. Some may not like to think about it or talk about it much but we do laugh, cry and sometimes screw up royally just like all of the other human beings on Earth!

And sometimes when we screw up, the result is a really really big screw up. Like for example the recent Arizona Sweat Lodge incident that went terribly and tragically wrong.

A lack of humility is actually the least of the problem for some. As an Astrologer, in my own experience the influence of Neptune in particular is a very serious matter. So many people are sleepwalking and dreaming their way through life. Many people, including well meaning Spiritual - New Age types treat life as if it was a virtual and perpetual video game or a movie and they are the audience taking it all in without any participation or involvement on their own part. It is tremendously hard to shake the influence of Neptune and this is why escapism with alcohol, drugs and other addictive behaviors are so widespread.

Healthy and appropriate thinking and behavior is very subjective. No one has all of the answers and this is certainly evident in a society (and for that matter a Universe) that is as complex, splintered and divergent as ours is.

Additionally, certain souls (and I admit to being one of them) have reason to believe that our true origins are not of this Earth. In other words, we see ourselves as either "outsiders" or "visitors" to the Planet Earth. Some believe that they are incarnated Angels or ET Beings from some other World and they identify with their particular Angelic Realm, Planet or Spiritual Family. It is not that they see Humans as inferior or "second class citizens" of the Universe, it is simply that they feel a far greater kinship with those they identify with as "kindered spirits".

Imagine for a moment that you were born in Moscow and your parents were diplomats and moved to the United States while you were still a young age. If you can barely speak English and you are not familiar with
American culture you are going to feel very much out of place, you might feel homesick and struggle to identify with your new environment. This is exactly what many "New Ager's", "Starseeds" and Indigo Children are going through. If you were one of them yourself, you would understand in ways that words cannot explain!
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DonnaM



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you your comments on Neptune were useful and interesting.

I m familiar with the other things you mentioned. I have much experience with beings who claim to be this that and the other. Doesnt mean they are what they say you are as I m sure you know.

Tell me this. If you are this that or the other in a human body and homesick why bother to be here? Were you forced? If so who forced you? Why dont you go back to wherever it is you want to be? What do you want? If your this that or the other presumably its better than human? So why step backwards? Why are human bodies only occupied with something better? Why never with something less?
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Derestanne



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnaM wrote:
I have much experience with beings who claim to be this that and the other. Doesnt mean they are what they say you are as I m sure you know.


Dr. Shelley Kaehr was on my radio program "Starscope" a few years back and she mentioned that at one point she had five hypnotherapy clients in Dallas, Texas who all thought that they were Cleopatra in a previous lifetime. Dr. Kaehr said that the knowledge of past lives is useful to us to the extent that we understand what we learned in those lives and how that information can help us to live better lives in the present and I certainly agree with that.

Dr. Kaehr's experience however does not exclude the possibility that certain individuals will uncover the truth about who they really were in a previous lifetime. The truth is, it is hard for many if not most to accept that they were just ordinary people in previous lives, doing the best they could with their modest and meager station in life.

And then Donna said: "Tell me this. If you are this that or the other in a human body and homesick why bother to be here? Were you forced? If so who forced you? Why dont you go back to wherever it is you want to be? What do you want? If your this that or the other presumably its better than human? So why step backwards? Why are human bodies only occupied with something better? Why never with something less?"

My first reaction is that feeling homesick is probably a normal reaction to finding oneself in an a "foreign" environment, regardless of the circumstances. I think of the lyrics to the Eagles song entitled "Learn To Be Still":

"There are so many contradictions, in all these messages we send
Keep asking, 'How do I get out of here?' And, 'Where do I fit in?'
Though the World is torn and shaken
And even if you heart is breaking
It's waiting for you to awaken
Someday you will learn to be still".

Its is said that we can't do the same old thing over and over forever because we get stuck in a great big rut and never learn or experience anything new. Dr. Shelley and I laughed about how even the Angels will get tired of being Angels. So they invent a new gamed to play called "Kick the Harp until it breaks" or something like that!

The Buddhists say: We live in Samsara and the World of Samsara is the World of Change. Nothing lasts forever. Not even being homesick and not even being human.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really enjoy your posts Derestanne and thankyou for being patient. Which is unusual among metaphysical/spiritual/religious etc communities. Individuals get irate when you dont accept their beliefs without question. Actually they arent used to being questioned at all and so dont usually have even the most basic answers. This is because they have never even questioned themselves.

I still dont think you ve actually answered mine and I have more but I wouldnt want to push you.

Please believe me when I say I mean no offence. If were to tell others my beliefs and then you questioned me I would probably find it difficult too.

My mentor tells me that if people notice your spirituality then you have betrayed it.
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d_redant
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll try my best to answer your questions.

You are right in saying that beings who claim to be this that or the other are not always who they claim to be.

For example a michievious spirit can overshadow someone and claim to be the spirit of Jesus Christ then can 'communicate' certain things.

Only those with spiritual integrity will find their intuition boosted to such a degree to be able to isolate if the spirit/being speaking is actually who they say they are.

Why bother to be here?

Again to get experience (in the physical 3 dimensional realm). We all choose to be here for our own stages of development and others to help others in earth to evolve. Indigos, crystal kids, ETs, Angels and others as Ann mentioned.

Were you forced being here?

No. Can you tell me what's your reasoning behind asking this question?

I'm not aware of any metaphysical folk who claim anything about being forced to be human.

Why don't you go back to wherever it is you are suppose to be?

Well for starters your mission isn't completed as yet. Only when are all your missions and experiencing done here on earth and other places will you merge back into the Source.

Do not ask me your mission though. That's your own experience and your own soul purpose. I will not be able to answer you there. You have to figure that out on your own with your own spiritual unfoldment.

Many people do go into the non-physical realms by means of Astral Travelling and they see the Multi-Dimensional nature of our Universe & Ourselves (Human Beings)

What do you want?

What do you want with what? What do you mean exactly? Please expand more on this question so I can understand it better.

We want to Evolve and Grow towards our Highest Potentials.

If your this that or the other presumably its better than human?

Getting into the scene of wanting to deduce which is better than anything else is not Spiritual. Everything has its Divine Purpose and Order.

It's not about being better than Human but being the BEST Human we can possibly be.

So why step backwards?

Why step backwards in what way? What do you mean by 'Why Step Backwards'? Please expand.

Why are human bodies only occupied with something better?

Because we all want to grow higher and better. It's our nature to expand grow to unlimitless proportions.

Why never with something less?

We don't want to grow into lower level beingness.


DonnaM wrote:
Thank you your comments on Neptune were useful and interesting.

I m familiar with the other things you mentioned. I have much experience with beings who claim to be this that and the other. Doesnt mean they are what they say you are as I m sure you know.

Tell me this. If you are this that or the other in a human body and homesick why bother to be here? Were you forced? If so who forced you? Why dont you go back to wherever it is you want to be? What do you want? If your this that or the other presumably its better than human? So why step backwards? Why are human bodies only occupied with something better? Why never with something less?


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep Dearestanne is pretty much in allignment with real knowledge. I can see that.

Anyway Donna you mentioned that your mentor stated that if people notice your spirituality you have betrayed it.

Can you expand more on this perception?


DonnaM wrote:
I really enjoy your posts Derestanne and thankyou for being patient. Which is unusual among metaphysical/spiritual/religious etc communities. Individuals get irate when you dont accept their beliefs without question. Actually they arent used to being questioned at all and so dont usually have even the most basic answers. This is because they have never even questioned themselves.

I still dont think you ve actually answered mine and I have more but I wouldnt want to push you.

Please believe me when I say I mean no offence. If were to tell others my beliefs and then you questioned me I would probably find it difficult too.

My mentor tells me that if people notice your spirituality then you have betrayed it.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am Human and I love it.

I AM

I am also a Spiritual being having a Human Experience.

Inside of myself I do not feel I am better than any one.

No body is better than anyone. Everyone is part and parcel of the Whole.

We are all One.

Humanness is not below me.

It's a very lovely thing to be a Human Being.

It's very lovely to experience being Human.

No one should feel they are better than anyone just because they know alot of Spiritual Stuff.

It is of great importance to give ear to everyone (enlightened and un-enlightened).



DonnaM wrote:
Hi Derestanne. Thank you for your help.

Its ok I ve just never been able to grasp why the spiritual/mystical/metaphysical find it so difficult to just say 'I am Human'. Yet can so easily say I am a spiritual being having a spiritual experience.

Its a very detached statement. It sounds like your not really with it (humanness). That your something better who 'Has to put up with being Human for now'. That humanness is somewhat below you?

Dont you think this means that your actually missing something very very fundalmental about the fact you are a human? Not truly delving into humanness?

Does this suggest a subtle lack of humility. Could this a clue as to why many so called 'Spiritual' people remember being human over and over again?

No offence meant.
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DonnaM



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I m really sorry d-redant I didnt notice your 'I ll do my best to answer your questions post' this morning. Its very kind of you to take the time to answer each of my individual questions. That goes for everyone x
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem. I am just doing my part.

I look forward to seeing your replies to my queries as well.

Thanks to everyone else as well! Dearestanne, CryingFayth & others.

DonnaM wrote:
I m really sorry d-redant I didnt notice your 'I ll do my best to answer your questions post' this morning. Its very kind of you to take the time to answer each of my individual questions. That goes for everyone x
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi d_redant, I just have to wait until I get time to be on here. Thanks.

Why bother to be here?

Again to get experience (in the physical 3 dimensional realm). We all choose to be here for our own stages of development and others to help others in earth to evolve. Indigos, crystal kids, ETs, Angels and others as Ann mentioned.

Were you forced being here?
What do you want?


No. Can you tell me what's your reasoning behind asking this question?



I'm not aware of any metaphysical folk who claim anything about being forced to be human.

The reasoning behind these questions was in response to comments like 'There arent lines of beings waiting to be human', 'What these beings go through', 'Feeling like an outsider/stranger' and 'Struggling to adjust to your environment'. I ve spoken to many who complain about these truly awful struggles strangers in their own families etc

Evidently the lessons being learned from being human must be valuable indeed to put yourselves through such difficulties. So. Are you forced in some way? ... do you HAVE to learn the lessons for some reason?

Incidentally what kind lessons are you learning exactly? What can being human possibly teach an angel?

So why step backwards?

Presumably star seed, angels, indigo etc are in a more advanced state of evolution than the humans who are only halfway evolved as someone said..so why go back to halfway?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The reasoning behind these questions was in response to comments like 'There arent lines of beings waiting to be human', 'What these beings go through', 'Feeling like an outsider/stranger' and 'Struggling to adjust to your environment'. I ve spoken to many who complain about these truly awful struggles strangers in their own families etc

Evidently the lessons being learned from being human must be valuable indeed to put yourselves through such difficulties. So. Are you forced in some way? ... do you HAVE to learn the lessons for some reason?


I will repeat what I said to you before. Maybe you did not see it in my previous post. Pleast re-read my posts so that you are not asking the same questions over and over.

No you are not forced. You have choosen to be here.

Many people do not learn their lessons and are in a continual state of re-birth into certain lives that keep repeating the certain lessons so that they can get it right to learn the lessons they actually intended to learn.

When you learn the lessons your higher self intended to learn you move onto higher dimensions of experience. But also certain souls keep reincarnating as human to fulfill universal roles like teaching, guiding,etc.

We can all make mistakes but you must learn from your mistakes. This is one reason of continual re-birth. To learn from our mistakes.

Quote:
Were you forced being here?
What do you want?

No. Can you tell me what's your reasoning behind asking this question?

I'm not aware of any metaphysical folk who claim anything about being forced to be human.

The reasoning behind these questions was in response to comments like 'There arent lines of beings waiting to be human', 'What these beings go through', 'Feeling like an outsider/stranger' and 'Struggling to adjust to your environment'. I ve spoken to many who complain about these truly awful struggles strangers in their own families etc


I see what you mean. This probably means that the ones who are struggling to adjust to the environment have not mastered being able to ADAPT themselves in the physical form properly. Obviously they have to master that and could be one of the reasons they are here. To master being able to ADAPT having a Human Physical Body.

Quote:
Incidentally what kind lessons are you learning exactly? What can being human possibly teach an angel?


Everyone has their own lessons. My lessons are not yours and vice versa. I cannot tell you what YOUR lessons are. Again it depends on your own soul purpose. Each person's lessons are personal and unique to that person.


Quote:
So why step backwards?

Presumably star seed, angels, indigo etc are in a more advanced state of evolution than the humans who are only halfway evolved as someone said..so why go back to halfway?


If I am getting you right you are wondering why step back into human form if you are already so evolved.

Starseeds, Angels, Indigos etc are here to fulfull missions of evolving earth/humanity on the whole.

Quote:
My mentor tells me that if people notice your spirituality then you have betrayed it.


I would love to hear more about what is behind this perception that if people notice your spirituality it is betrayed. I am very curious about what your mentor is trying to convey exactly. Please expand in much detail.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi d_redant.

Im afraid we are getting crossed lines here but no matter. I didnt realise I was asking the same questions over and over again. I was actually responding to your queries.

As for your question about betraying spirituality.

A few years ago my friends and I attended an Ecotopia gathering.

We met many wonderful people but one day came upon a group in the woods who sat spellbound around a man who was preaching to them.

My friends and I listened a while and he said things like 'I am pure of heart' I am this and I am that.

Later at the meeting during mealtimes we noticed this man often made comments on what people were eating and why they shouldnt be doing this behaviour or the other behaviour. He done this in a way that made people feel bad or inferior. ( not just meat eaters but anyone using caffeine and smokers )

My mentor simply pointed out that this man was anything but pure of heart. Although the man had many followers it was blindingly obvious that he had betrayed his own spirituality. This man has perhaps one day been enlightened in some way but that he had allowed himself to get carried away.

My mentor warned me about anyone who claimed to be enlightened, pure of heart etc.

The lady I was with (who by the way is guardian of the sacred site in Glastonbury) agreed.

My understanding of this was that when you get to a stage of enlightenment then all well and good but when you begin to feel you must enlighten others then perhaps you are getting carried away. You said yourself we all have our own lessons. How can you offer guidance to another who' s life lessons you know nothing about.
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