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d_redant
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand what you mean here but isn't it a bit out of context to say that you can betray your spirituality if others notice you?

Especially when you give the example of the man with the followers?

This is standard spiritual knowledge. Nothing new or different.

I totally agree with your mentor about the fact that there are alot of people boast they are so pure and good hearted when beheath it's the opposite. They just do it to build a loyal following which they play like pawns and speak to them in whatever manner they want not caring if they hurt the person. Many of these so called masters even go so far as to control their followers in very inhumane ways which I will not bother to go into here. We need not focus on that.

In India tons of so called gurus employ alot of magic tricks (as in stage magic techniques) to fool unsuspecting innocent fear ridden villagers.

You said that if anyone notices your spirituality you have betrayed it.

I Disagree in that you have made this comment out of context here.

This does not seem to fit into the picture you are trying to paint.

Because if someone notices your spirituality they did due to their own observations..and isn't it a great compliment to know that others have noticed your spirituality due to the high vibration of light and love that you emit?

I would feel wonderful if someone noticed that I was a spiritual person..without me ever saying anything to them.

Anyone would feel good to know that others have noticed how spiritual they are.

Mind you it depends on the observer and how much they know about true spirituality. They could just be feeding your EGO.

I am not excessively seeking a huge following of loyal followers or anything. It's not important who I am...but what I have to say!

I am just interested in being myself.

I am just guided to share my experiences and knowledges with the world. So are hundreds of other people too!

I am following my own inner guidance. You cannot judge the fact that people will be guided to help others even if it means their spirituality will get noticed (positively or negatively). All fakes and quacks aside it does not matter to a real spiritual person if they are getting negative feedbacks or observations from anyone.. They don't have time to focus on the Negative side of things. Instead they most intelligently choose to focus on the Positive side of things and expressing their own true light in whatever way or form.

The Universe is Unlimited.

I do not see how you can betray your spirituality if you get noticed in the process.

It is always better to focus on the positive than the negative.

Such things as worrying about if you are going to betray your spirituality if too much people notice how spiritual you are isn't worth it.

In fact people should shine their spiritual light. Not keep it hidden.

Focus on Positive Aspects of Spirituality. Not Negative.

What you Focus on You Manifest.

We must also accept that others have their own tastes and inclinations like eating meat,etc. Even I eat meat currently (but have been having thoughts about cutting down drastically). I smoke too.

You asked how can I offer guidance to another whose life lessons I know nothing about.

My answer is I am simply here to serve. Period.

Once it is within my capacity I will continue divulge information and experiences to anyone who asks for help or guidance on anything.

Why wouldn't I continue to help people that needs helping??????

That feels so un-spiritual to me.

I will never consider keeping everything I have learned and experienced mystically, metaphysically and spiritually to myself.

I want the whole world to benefit from my experiences and knowledge.

And I also want others to do the same as me.

Share your experiences and knowledge!!!

So I can learn from you too!

If an Enlightened person feels that they must help others and they feel good about doing it then how does that make them being carried away?

If after they have embarked upon their spiritual path and reached Enlightenment and feel internally a great love to share their experience of Enlightenment with others so that others may pick up some bits and pieces to apply to their own experiences whats the crime?

If an Enlightened person thinks that they can make a difference in pointing another person upon a path which will yield success spiritually why not?

Why Hold Back?

Every single person that you comes into your life has a Spiritual meaning. It's for you to decipher things with (learning/experiencing) or without their help (by insight).

Take care Donna.

Love & Light


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Hi d_redant.

Im afraid we are getting crossed lines here but no matter. I didnt realise I was asking the same questions over and over again. I was actually responding to your queries.

As for your question about betraying spirituality.

A few years ago my friends and I attended an Ecotopia gathering.

We met many wonderful people but one day came upon a group in the woods who sat spellbound around a man who was preaching to them.

My friends and I listened a while and he said things like 'I am pure of heart' I am this and I am that.

Later at the meeting during mealtimes we noticed this man often made comments on what people were eating and why they shouldnt be doing this behaviour or the other behaviour. He done this in a way that made people feel bad or inferior. ( not just meat eaters but anyone using caffeine and smokers )

My mentor simply pointed out that this man was anything but pure of heart. Although the man had many followers it was blindingly obvious that he had betrayed his own spirituality. This man has perhaps one day been enlightened in some way but that he had allowed himself to get carried away.

My mentor warned me about anyone who claimed to be enlightened, pure of heart etc.

The lady I was with (who by the way is guardian of the sacred site in Glastonbury) agreed.

My understanding of this was that when you get to a stage of enlightenment then all well and good but when you begin to feel you must enlighten others then perhaps you are getting carried away. You said yourself we all have our own lessons. How can you offer guidance to another who' s life lessons you know nothing about.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again for taking the time to answer all my questions.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to comment further if thats ok.

I wonder how would a person know you were spiritually/mystically enlightened or not unless you told them?

To be honest I dont think I would feel either good or bad if someone noticed or didnt notice that I was spiritual.

If I did I would be very clear about the fact that this was only MY belief or MY opinion and that did not make it fact. One think I would never ever do is tell anyone that my belief was fact. The reason being that I may be wrong.

Also yes I would hold back from offering significent spiritual guidance as I dont think I would want the enormous responsibility of doing that.

I would not say sharing life experiences is quite the same. I wouldnt say 'Serving' is quite the same either.

Anyway that s just my opinion.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Confused Sorry i got the above post mixed up. I was just distracted by two naughty kittens and a jack russel. Anyway m sure you ll work out what I m rambling on about. Thanks for reading anyway.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just to comment further if thats ok.


Yea I know..I was expecting this. Laughing

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I wonder how would a person know you were spiritually/mystically enlightened or not unless you told them?


Normally they can sense it in you. They can feel it. They can see it.

It varies. It's not set in stone.

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To be honest I dont think I would feel either good or bad if someone noticed or didnt notice that I was spiritual.


That's you..That's fine.

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If I did I would be very clear about the fact that this was only MY belief or MY opinion and that did not make it fact. One think I would never ever do is tell anyone that my belief was fact. The reason being that I may be wrong.


That's fine. Be yourself.

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Also yes I would hold back from offering significent spiritual guidance as I dont think I would want the enormous responsibility of doing that.


Once it works for you..It's good! Do what you want to do..Follow your Inner Guidance.

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I would not say sharing life experiences is quite the same. I wouldnt say 'Serving' is quite the same either.


Everything is intermingled. Serving, Sharing Life Experiences, Helping Others..all of these are aspects of Spirituality.
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DonnaM



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh d-redant why dont you just get real and say what you really feel? It really is ok to have feelings you know, after all your only human.

I was also expecting strong reluctance to truly debate anything at all.

I also expected resistance and avoidance along with the sickly pretend niceness.

No matter how hard the enlightened/the teachers/the angels/ the star seed/ the pure / the E.T's and indeed the masters etc are pushed they will rarely if ever discuss anything at all.

They will however tell you how it is and there is no room for discussion. There can only be blind acceptance.

This is why the I AM religion is no different from any other religion and also why it is so dangerous spiritualy to those who are seduced by it.

Being yourself is the only way you know and darkness is the real treasure for without it you wouldnt be able to see the light.

You can only pretend for so long. Dont you realise your reflections are everywhere in the universe?
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d_redant
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here it comes...exactly what I expected from you.

You could not keep yourself calm and contained for too long couldn't you?

I am being real. Who are you to say that I am not being real?

Because you was expecting a fight and you're not getting one?

I am saying what I really feel.. You keep assuming the wrong things.

Maybe you need to work on your intuition.

Yes being yourself is the best way to be.

You think I am just pretending to be nice to you?

LOL..NO.. I am being nice to you because I want to be nice to you.

It's not pretended as you are trying to convey here.

Yes I know about darkness being a true treasure. Most Enlightened people have come from Darkness and many many trials and tribulations.

I am not pretending..and you will not succeed into making this into a big fight ...Not with me..and I will not allow it on this forum at all.

Realize we are all One..We must harmonize..

The people on the forum are of like mind. If you are not of like mind find another suitable forum for your likes and beliefs.

Yes I know my reflections are all throughout the Universe.

Did you think you can break my state of being so easily? LOL

You can choose to broadcast quarelling and fighting of beliefs.

You can get caught up trying to prove yourself all you want.

I will not do that..and I will not allow it on this forum.

Can I ask what exactly do you know about Harmony?

Harmony is another Spiritual aspect.

We do not have time for Bickering and fighting here.

Now let me hear exactly what you beliefs are..

What do you believe in?

You want to dissect everything else..Let me see where you are coming from. I want to know your beliefs.

That is only fair.. Don't hide yourself while you try to take subtle shots at everyone else.

Lets see what common points we can agree on instead of trying to create a big fight. Let Harmonize.. because if you are not here to Harmonize you will be banned. We don't have time for that here...

You are trying to stereotype enlightened/the teachers/the angels/ the star seed/ the pure / the E.T's and indeed the masters etc by sayin they do not answer questions when pushed..

Let me ask you.. Did you question any of these people?

How do you know this for sure?

I want to see some quality evidence and then we'll take the conversation further.

Ohh I love Osho too. Do you?


DonnaM wrote:
Oh d-redant why dont you just get real and say what you really feel? It really is ok to have feelings you know, after all your only human.

I was also expecting strong reluctance to truly debate anything at all.

I also expected resistance and avoidance along with the sickly pretend niceness.

No matter how hard the enlightened/the teachers/the angels/ the star seed/ the pure / the E.T's and indeed the masters etc are pushed they will rarely if ever discuss anything at all.

They will however tell you how it is and there is no room for discussion. There can only be blind acceptance.

This is why the I AM religion is no different from any other religion and also why it is so dangerous spiritualy to those who are seduced by it.

Being yourself is the only way you know and darkness is the real treasure for without it you wouldnt be able to see the light.

You can only pretend for so long. Dont you realise your reflections are everywhere in the universe?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:51 am    Post subject: My 2 Cents.. Reply with quote

I am largely an Agnostic.. That is I believe in higher powers are at work across the extradimentional veil, and we cannot see it, but we can sense it at times. And we certainly cannot EVER know or portray ourselves to understand what a great plan we may be the part of. I am just happy to understand that something more than I can perceive or understand exists. And not just on this earth ON an infinite number of life forms and universes.

Our plane of existence is 3 dimensional, and we are a slave to the 4th time. We can perceive the other tastes in other dimensions such as the 5th through to the 10th.

When in dream states it’s possible to extend, as at that level you are working in pure energy states, i.e. your conscious and subconscious mind. It’s important to understand that naturally occurring psychoactive will get your conscious mind into states allowing to interface, see, perceive and communicate with beings from across this veil, the veil of which is dimensional limitations of our understanding.

So, what does this tell us about the nature of the universe? Well, if you look at the nature of energy, it can only be converted from one state to another, and this transitional state has been proved by basic physics.

So, physics agrees, math’s agrees, and the only thing left, is what your consciousness experiences, and this consciousness is something that science cannot yet accurately define or explain, and falls flat with the answer to things.

This is where the topic of conversation goes into spirituality. I came from a background of believe in physical, bleak dark existence. I have always believed in the basic conversion of energy when you die, you go back into the universal pool of latent energy; this has been a proven fact with conversion of energy states in physics.

My recent conversion of beliefs when I has my awakening, was when I realised that I had been practicing crystals and energy healing since I remember, my youngest experience was when I was about 12 or so, and I started channeled Orgone. I never acknowledge it, I never believed in anything other than what I could taste, touch, smell and see, and I left the other sense, experience, largely in the dark, as I experienced things, when I could not explain them, I buried them into my subconscious mind, back into the asleep state for my mind, refusing what I was witnessing as it challenged all I knew to be true.

And 6 months or so when I was not awake, my wife had impacted wisdom teeth and was on major levels of medication, which was not getting even a small amount of relief from drugs, I held my hands over her face and did my Orgone channel reflex that I perform in my healing now. I did not quite think about what I was doing at the time, or question it; I just knew it was the thing to do to help my wife at the time.

So, after becoming awake to my spirituality, I needed to have it proved to me, and it was in 15 mins flat, I left my empty universe behind, and It was filled with angels. I learned that my soul has a history from Atlantis as a crystal healer. I took this information onboard and bought heaps of crystals, I have always been interested in them, but I had never acted on the compulsion of what to buy. I quickly became an expert. I also refused to read any books on what crystal healing was about, I just knew, just knew it. I started to gain information from my dreams on how to heal, and in one really freaky informational dream, I was a middle ages woman from the early 1950's, healing someone’s back, and in one very informative part of the dream, I was both the healer and the receiver, both giving and receiving the crystal session to help a sore back. I felt both layers of it at the same time, but I knew as I went into the 1950's woman, that was my body, it was familiar, even though it was a woman, it was one of my past lives.

A later experience with another crystal healer, was where i was working with her and she was showing me some things just about working with crytals grids, I put some with a lapis lazuli on my 3rd eye, and lay down, and closed my eyes, and intantly heard a gunshot or explosion not faintl but seemingly in the distance. Startled I sat up a bit and asked her "what was that" . "what was what" she said, I had just closed my eyes for a couple of seconds. I thought it must have been outside on the road or something and she just had not heard it. Lay back and closed my eyes again, and next image i see, almost instantly, is me sitting down, with my hands polishing then loading a musket. "What the" open eyes again, asked my friend Kay how long I has my eyes closed, and she said about 10 seconds. Now excited that I was having some thing other than what I was expecting with the Lapis ( which was just to practice meditation) I was going someone in seconds. Lay back again, and in seconds again, I saw other images, of which I was in blue, marching in formation down a hill and was in a battlefield, explosions in the distance, it was a period akin to the napoleonic wars.

These are some of my past lives experiences, of which Im happy to share, to show that there is something more that happens, and not allways when your expecting it.

The information I gained from dreams is very profound, and the other practices that I still use in crystal healing and orgone healing are all from my soul memory. I eventually bought some books to read more about crystal healing, but I rarely read them all the way through, as they all tell me to do what I am already practicing, with frightening accuracy. I don't question if I know how to do something now, I just go with it as fact, and I just KNOW it’s right.

My wife and I have some more experiences from our past lives together, one of which I will share which freaked me out at the time.

When drunk one night and mucking about, my wife and I decided to brand each other on the wrist. Heated up a silver butterfly ring with a lighter, and burned it into each other. Was pretty hot, and we both suffered a 3rd degree burn, which destroyed some nerves in our wrist, and the result, was NO pain at all. So, while this was still in the process of healing, I went for another visit to one of my spiritual counselor, the one who brought me out of sleep. I was talking to her for a few mins, and she stopped me and asked my to roll my wrist sleeve up, there is a point of energy there I need to see. So, I was wearing a long sleeve shirt, and she looked at the burn on the back of my wrist, and asked if Jane has one as well on the opposite wrist. She had not seen either of us for ages, and I said in amazement, yeah.

She said that Jane and I have been together in countless past life’s and our history together, and this mark is something that we always do together as an act of dedication, which goes way deeper than being married. More past life proof for us, and the romanticized fact that we have been together, not just in this life, but in the past countless times.

And we always find each other across time. It is an interesting feeling to know that you are always destined to be together, the important bit in this, is that we are both healers that complement each other. Both quite efficient working in our own circle, but together we compliment each other’s abilities to be 10 times the healer that either can be when practicing solo.

I am not religious in any shape form of fashion, although I know that angels exist. These were absorbed into the bible as a convenient set of entities that were already known and accepted as they are acknowledged as being in existence in all ancient history.

These are some of the entities that exist across the veil, and they are there to aid and help us as we request. But the important rule is that we have to ask They won’t just step in and help, you have to ask for it.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:58 pm    Post subject: Who am I ? Reply with quote

I am "Ego",

We are here because of "Ego",

We are here to clear our old deeds but we make new insted of clearing all,

The best way to serve humanity is to serve ourself by getting rid of this circle of deth & birth, others will be served automatically,
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A very insightful post Cryingfaith, thank you!
Why do we exist?
Simply, I believe, to learn and evolve.
On the surface of our world, which includes our physical form, things do not appear to be going too well. There is no end to the drama and tragedy that occurs as we continue to believe so strongly in our mortality. However there is and absolutely needs to be a shift from belief in mortality to one of imortality. If we all come to understand that our bodies are nothing more then temporary vessels of our eternal souls we would quickly realize how foolish we are to hoard and fight over our material resources. We would quickly realize that our religious, political, cultural and racial beliefs are equally as foolish. If we truly know that we are eternal, what would be the point of comparing our differences and putting them up against one another? Yes, as impermanent physical beings, each and everyone of us is unique. But in knowing we are eternal beings, I believe we would want to celebrate our impermanence rather then be consumed by pain and fear.
Our planet alone is plenty abundant enough to easily support all of us in our physical forms. We need only recognize this when we ARE in our physical form, for in Spirit, this is common knowledge. But this is barely the tip of the potential iceburg for mortal experience. The entire Universe, in its physical form is quite literally at our disposal. When as a Whole we come to understand our immortal Unity, I honestly believe we will discover the means to travel beyond our solar system.
We foolishly believe that we are held back by the state of the world's economy. We believe in shortages and we believe the enemy is "out there". It is only true to us because it is what we believe. Call it free will if you like, but it doesn't really matter. If we believe in what is real, then what is real will be manifested and made available to us in abundance. There can be no other Way.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why are we here?


1) To pursue unity with God
2) To support our brethren

Make pretty good reasons for me.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnaM wrote:
I have some questions too.

Why are we so desperate to denounce/deny our humanity?

After all, like it or not for however long or often that is what we are now?

Why is being human not a desirable thing?

Why is being something else somehow better?

Why would we be forced/or chose to be human if its so low on the agenda?

I m serious. I really want to know the answers to these questions?


Donna,

Part of the desperation to shuck our humanness comes from Gnostic teachings, who thought the spirit was enslaved in flesh. In essence this is true, but not for the reasons presented. What enslaves our spirits in flesh is our perceptions presented by the ego. Being human is not bad, remaining chained to human perception is where we err as a species.

Many people don't desire being human because their perception is based on how humans act today. Rather than changing the way people are and what they perceive, by changing themselves, it is easier to wish for an escape through some ascencion process or via rapture. The world is an ugly place to many, and rather than face responsibility to change the world, they wish for a hasty exit to the land where all the bad people go away or get theirs in the end. We did not come here to escape, we came here to change things for the better.

I choose to be something else, but not necessarily in the manner of form. I choose to be a more active spiritual human being, to be more spiritually aware, to pull myself from the quagmire of ego perceptions. People in the stars, aliens, angels, etc. are not perfect beings. They are all on their own paths just as we are. They are imperfect, just as we are. To be desirous to be one of them is to fail to take responsibility to change yourself.

No one forced any one of us to be human. We all chose it on a soul level (read Journey of Souls by Michael Newton, PhD). Many if us are here at this time to help guide the rest of humanity out of the morass of 3D thinking and ego tyranny. Everyone here will not get the message. The responsibility resides with each individual as to what they make of the world we live in. Being 3D human is not necessarily bad. It is misinformation that we are the lowest creation on the totem pole. The fact is that the human race on this planet holds the key to the next level of development for this universe. Only those who would veer you from this knowledge are the ones teaching that we are lesser beings. Quit thinking of yourself as a lesser being and see how fast you progress spiritually.
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