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hunch



Joined: 27 Feb 2011
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:38 am    Post subject: World of Visualization Reply with quote

I don't quite understand what it's like to visualize something in your mind. Are you supposed to see a clear 3-D image of whatever you're imagining with laser sharp high def quality? Or is visualization more of just getting a general idea of what it is you're trying to imagine and just kind of seeing it, but not really?

When I close my eyes to visualize, I just see a bunch of fuzzy lines and flashes of color and dots and stuff. I can't quite get lost in visualizing something because most of what I imagine is what I feel to be there and getting a general idea, yknow? It's not exactly like watching TV the instant I close my eyes.

What's it like for everyone else?
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terrelljacobson



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well it really depends on my mind-state at the time but if i just randomly close my eyes and visualize something i tend to forget about what my eyes see and focus on the visualization. If I'm in a trance or meditating I can get a fairly clear picture going. If I'm really deep (bordering on theta level) I become quite focused on the visualization and if i can maintain my concentration it's almost as if it were actually happening.
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hunch



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply terrelljacobson!

I don't doubt the effects of visualization, but I feel like I'm having trouble feeling as though the situation were really happening because of my inability to really see anything. Getting that happy feeling of 'happening right now' is a little difficult, and that's apparently the most important part of visualization.

I can make myself cry at will by imagining a very sad situation but I have trouble imagining myself being happy LOL. I'm generally a pretty happy person too, so maybe I don't really feel happy because I'm used to the state, whereas being sad is rarer for me.
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terrelljacobson



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Location: Fairbanks, Alaska

PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah i had a problem like that for a while, basically if you can't get the feeling down at first, just fake it until you forget that you're just faking it. The rest seems to just follow.

Also, if you aren't very confident in your abilities, I cannot stress the importance of practice. Just do your best to improve and, with time, results will most definitely show. I had a hard time getting realistic visualizations going, but I just stuck with it always thinking of ways that I can improve my skill and sure enough, I'm a lot better at it now than I used to be.

Keep it up, for every positive result you get, your trust and faith in yourself will be strengthened leading to better future results. Which of course in turn will lead to more trust and faith, and so on and so forth.
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Somnus



Joined: 27 Feb 2011
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel the same way. Sometimes I try really hard to maintain the image in my mind as realistic as possible but for example with "mental seduction", when I try to focus on the physical feelings my view becomes fragmented as if I'm viewing through a camera zooming where the action is taking place and the height of people and objects seems nonsensical . But then again if I visualize with my eyes open I can maintain the 3D perception of the world.

But the truth is even when I'm visualizing in that way my hearts still begins to race and the "conversation" still flows normally in my mind so I guess it still works, a way I came up with to feel the "it's happening now" is to include smell and in case I'm focusing on mental seduction I touch the other persons face with my nose, lips or forehead.
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hunch



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's cool, I guess going deeper down into the slower brainwaves makes visualizing that much easier. I remember once when I was meditating, I was in theta, really close to falling asleep (I was sitting up without a headrest so my head kept moving around trying to find a comfortable position to sleep in but I wouldn't let it) when this super sharp random flash image of my music teacher entered my visualization and I was totally surprised, because I have never visualized anything so clear before. In fact, it wasn't even that clear, but far clearer than anything I've ever visualized before.

I think sometimes, it can be really hard to visualize a particular situation for long periods of time. I can only keep up with mental seduction for so long before I get bored of it, since there are only so many things you can do with psychic seduction. Once I get bored, my focus goes straight out the window and I start daydreaming about random things that have happened in my day. I also find it a little difficult to make it a dynamic experience involving not just the feeling of touch, but also sight, sound, smell, and taste.

Whereas if I'm manifesting an improved/new relationship, a conversation/debate/speech, or something like that which improves and betters myself and who I am, my focus improves far more. It is also a lot easier to feel as though it were really happening if I'm visualizing a later speech, or basketball game, or a conversation with someone. It's got more of a natural feel, I should say, which is why it must feel easier to do.

How long do you normally spend visualizing or manifesting certain events or outcomes in your life? Say I wanted a lemon to manifest in my hand after school. How long should I spend visualizing that, and if I do visualize it for that long, what are the different ways I could visualize that?

Just looking for some ideas and thoughts.
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baalpeteor



Joined: 24 May 2011
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm glad i just found this place... but it was meant to be because I had questions...

first of which is about visualization. The left brain hemisphere word for it may be "visual spatial skills" as its taught in schools. That's when you can look at a flat object and make it 3d in your head, or look at an object from above but see it as 3d (and perception) . so in visual spatial games they make have a 3d chess board with 3d objects with an overhead view, and like 15 cameras at different angles and they show a random one and you have to click which camera does the image correspond . try checking those games out to help those skills grow.

as for myself I always wondered if others can do this. I am left handed, which means I use my right brain hemisphere dominant (in the same way bill gates, steve jobs, leonardo da vinci, jimi hendrix are left handed.. and that is why da vinci had so much code in his art and wrote backwards mirror. I found I can do this 2. so if any lefties are here have you any experienced writing mirror or right handed ?)

with time I have the ability to transcend any memory i have ever had. From when i was in a stroller as a baby going to the zoo with my parents seeing the snakes, shepherds pie, sphaghetti and meatballs, bordens milk I had more than once each at middle school lunch. My friends with their x-men lunch pails and fruit rollup and how it smelled and tasted when one shared.

this is the amazement of the human mind. it can relive any memory, taste and touch and feel without being there. You can even do it without closing your eyes. in fact as I wrote above I was reliving them as I wrote but still typing and looking at the screen clearly. the mind is a very amazing thing... thoughts?
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Astroboy



Joined: 23 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a question about this if someone can answer please...

If you want to visualize something for say 10 minutes or so, can you keep repeating the same thing or do you need to keep thinking up new stuff.

For example if you were visualising playing Monopoly with someone (this is just a random example by the way Very Happy ) and you visualized sitting down at a table and setting up the board etc, do you then have to try to visualize playing the game for the next 10 minutes or can you just keep repeating the sitting down at a table and setting up the board bit over and over for the next 10 minutes.

I don't know if I've explained what I mean very well, but if someone understands what I'm talking about please can you answer this.

Thanks

Astro
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baalpeteor



Joined: 24 May 2011
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Astroboy wrote:
I have a question about this if someone can answer please...

If you want to visualize something for say 10 minutes or so, can you keep repeating the same thing or do you need to keep thinking up new stuff.

For example if you were visualising playing Monopoly with someone (this is just a random example by the way Very Happy ) and you visualized sitting down at a table and setting up the board etc, do you then have to try to visualize playing the game for the next 10 minutes or can you just keep repeating the sitting down at a table and setting up the board bit over and over for the next 10 minutes.

I don't know if I've explained what I mean very well, but if someone understands what I'm talking about please can you answer this.

Thanks

Astro


usualy when i visualize something (if for the fun of it or for something im turning from dream into reality) it is never forced but it just comes. Like this lexus that I wil get from a friend in the next 20 days. I would picture it outside my house on my cement slab and me walking out the house, popping the trunk and putting something in it, even feeling the letters "lexus" on the back above the backlight and then gettin in and driving down the road. i've never thought past that to exactly where im going (just an example). all of that may last just 3 to 4 minutes. i never went a whole 10 minnutes. I could visualize sitting at the table over and over resetting up a game of monopoly though.
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Astroboy



Joined: 23 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

baalpeteor wrote:
Astroboy wrote:
I have a question about this if someone can answer please...

If you want to visualize something for say 10 minutes or so, can you keep repeating the same thing or do you need to keep thinking up new stuff.

For example if you were visualising playing Monopoly with someone (this is just a random example by the way Very Happy ) and you visualized sitting down at a table and setting up the board etc, do you then have to try to visualize playing the game for the next 10 minutes or can you just keep repeating the sitting down at a table and setting up the board bit over and over for the next 10 minutes.

I don't know if I've explained what I mean very well, but if someone understands what I'm talking about please can you answer this.

Thanks

Astro


usualy when i visualize something (if for the fun of it or for something im turning from dream into reality) it is never forced but it just comes. Like this lexus that I wil get from a friend in the next 20 days. I would picture it outside my house on my cement slab and me walking out the house, popping the trunk and putting something in it, even feeling the letters "lexus" on the back above the backlight and then gettin in and driving down the road. i've never thought past that to exactly where im going (just an example). all of that may last just 3 to 4 minutes. i never went a whole 10 minnutes. I could visualize sitting at the table over and over resetting up a game of monopoly though.



Thats the thing, I find it very hard to visualize even for the 3/4 minutes you mention as I have difficulty trying to think up new things to add and it also makes it harder to remember what you visualised the first time when you next need to do it and what order you visualized things in. But I could easily do the repeat method for a long time but I don't think thats the way you are supposed to be doing it.

Thank you for replying though and congrats on getting the lexus, way to go Smile

Astro
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baalpeteor



Joined: 24 May 2011
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Astroboy"][quote="baalpeteor"]
Astroboy wrote:


Thats the thing, I find it very hard to visualize even for the 3/4 minutes you mention as I have difficulty trying to think up new things to add and it also makes it harder to remember what you visualised the first time when you next need to do it and what order you visualized things in. But I could easily do the repeat method for a long time but I don't think thats the way you are supposed to be doing it.

Thank you for replying though and congrats on getting the lexus, way to go Smile

Astro


I am not sure what triggered this but IT has only been VERY recent that I have found that I can recall things. I have done alot of research in sprituality over the last year (and specifically last month or 2). Things that I have researched that may come in handy with understanding it all:
traits of the left brain hemisphere and right (as we have 2 brains, each with different abilities. think of your left hemisphere as a serial processor, and your right parallel processor. This was important as I am a natural lefty, but learned that I can also write right handed (i just pulled paper out and started writing) and mirror (like da vinci does as he's a lefty 2). I am also a pro cannabis user who smokes heavily daily over the last year. I've done entheogen research and have done entheogens (salvia, dmt, etc) for meditation and spiritual enlightnment. I dont know exactly what effect these have had, but salvia changes your perception and what you actually see physically, open eyes or closed. Here's a good video by Harvard neuroscientist Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor as she had a stroke to the left brain hemisphere (she describes as the right brain kicks in).

http://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight.html




and remember.. never doubt yourself or what you can do. God lives within, so you are capable of anything!
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