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SOL12



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was referring to the amouny of energy taken from breaking one down. Yeah they themselves have use for such things though I prefer I much more direct approach.
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Rumba



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lenred wrote:
SOL12 wrote:
That wouldn't bring much energy, thought forms aren't that much and there's not much one could really do with it. The black and whites just getting down to the base of the energy source.


If I understand you correctly you are saying thought forms are pretty much useless. If that is what you are saying I would have to say that you have not created or used them properly. I use them to destroy negative thought forms, voodo and black magic thought forms and incapacitate and remove dark entities and the like. That seems rather valuable to me?


Yeah, I interpreted his post the same way at first. Anyway, since you have experience with Thoughtforms, you seem like a good person to confirm with (NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST YOU SOL12, I JUST WANT AS MANY OPINIONS AS POSSIBLE). Does everything I've come up with sound possible? Can one, for lack of a better term, unravel Thoughtforms and take the energy they held, without any harm to their own spirit? And do all my examples qualify as targets (basic thoughtforms, imaginary friends, and sigil spells)?
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SOL12



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do as well I just dont need them or spells for things I can do with ease. And you cant, they are energy to absorb it is to destroy it. I say it cause I wouldnt consider them real spirits.
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lenred
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote Does everything I've come up with sound possible? Can one, for lack of a better term, unravel Thoughtforms and take the energy they held, without any harm to their own spirit? And do all my examples qualify as targets (basic thoughtforms, imaginary friends, and sigil spells)?[/quote]

First of all I am not in competition with anyone. I use what works for me and I would expect anyone else to use what works for them.

You are apparently looking at this from the standpoint of magic. Thought forms have nothing to do with magic. It is a universal concept available to anyone. Thought forms need no unraveling. It's all in the programming. The one's I have created are always on standby status and available to spring into action instantly with a mere thought. They then return to nothingness upon completion of their mission. It is about as direct as you can get. They are as powerful as you program them to be. If programmed properly nothing can overcome them. I have used them more than 20 years on just about anything you can think of and nothing has even come close to being problematic.

A thought form is not a spirit. It is not ensouled and no harm to anyone is involved.

Most childrens imaginary friends are indeed real as the veil is quite thin during those first years. They are not thought forms.

I am not into magic. I work with universal concepts that are shown to me by my Source and made available for my work.
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SOL12



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't intent to compete, just giving my two cents on the matter. I have seen thought forms of energy and they're not too complicated. Their use and effectiveness differ by user based on the user so you're probably quite talented but I see them as more of an extention or a tool.
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Rumba



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, I was looking at the concept at a purely magical standpoint (as this is all I know about). Still though, it is slightly irritating to have had been so close to a revelation, yet so far. Thank you for your input on the matter.
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SOL12



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll find your revelation. Just look inword.
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martouk



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:31 pm    Post subject: Random questions about servitors and thoughtforms Reply with quote

The power in a spell, or program, in my experience, is predicated upon the intent of the sender. It is one thing to remove a program, but another thing entirely to disempower the sender.

Everyone has the right to psychic self defense in the extreme. On those occasions I have crossed swords with other metaphysicians or magicians, I backtrack to the source of the program and disempower the sender. Once that power is removed, it can be cleaned up and claimed for one's self - much like the Native Americans counted coup.

I have found that people who work outside spiritual integrity will continue to do so, so when I find myself under siege, so to speak, I remove the power of the sender entirely. The ancient gods in Egypt used to do this. It was what was termed claiming the attributes or defeated adversaries.

Gathering personal power is to be used for your own development and learning your own creative skills. It is not to be used as a source of screwing around with other people. Power is to be used, not abused. So long as one maintains total spiritual integrity (respecting the rights of others without your personal intrusion into their lives), there is no limit to the power one can access.
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SOL12



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those who do such things typically think of themselves as darker and feel superior for this when in fact there's is greatly limited by these practices. For true power unbound we must turn the inward eye, as the buddhists say.
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Rumba



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sol12, I think you're reading a little too much into his post. Not once did he encourage acting/thinking evilly, nor did he ever claim removing energy as the only power source. Dragging my own argument into this, I see no problem with augmenting the energy I have with with the energy of those who wish to cause me harm via metaphysical methods. It is not a matter of light or darkness, it is a matter of going an extra step to defend myself.

Anyway, Martouk, as you know about this technique, are you willing to explain how to preform it? I am glad to hear that I was not the only one with this idea.
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SOL12



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was referring to those who would do such things not that its evil to use anothers energy. Doing this is like a counter spell. Obviously you identify what is being done first. For instance a vampiric spell to drain energy. Then you start by undoing it at your level by breaking the drain through will or a spell and return to sender. When such a personal attack is made it creates more of a connection that can be worked both ways. Often just breaking the spell can give a certain amount of energy and then turning the tables will bring more. But of coarse you'd have to be able to out class your would be advorsary.
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