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Chris_com28 · Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 89

I was recently very skeptical of this device 'till I read about the experiments mentinoed in the link bellow. If the author is being honest then it really does seem to be powered by a force not recognised by mainstream science.
I really would like to experiment on something like this in the near future.
http://www.toolsforwellness.com/54848.html

Phoenix37 · Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 28

I kind of have a theory on this. Anybody think it runs on probability?

Chris_com28 · Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 89

Probability? How could it run on that?
The more I think about it the more it seems like a more advnaced psi wheel. Though it could be a psi wheel that can predict things like illness.

Zygos · Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 207

Heh, don't want to debunk this for anybody. If you want to try it out for $168 go for it, but I've got to agree with Phoenix, the energetic coming from it suggests its a fraud. Or at most a wheel with a low strain that is somehow being effected by telekinisis.....

Though power readings can be read. I guess you'll just have to call me a skeptic when it comes to these radionic devices.....I can see them manifesting...but not creating a sub based energy field, or somehow working off them unless prompted by some form of telekinesis.

Just my opinion.

Zygos

Chris_com28 · Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 89

By fraud do you mean it could be caused by normal accepted energy such as thermal or electromagnetic?
I'm reading a rather lengthy article about it now. It explains experiments done by the inventor before he created the wheel. Apparently such results couldn't be casued by electromagetic energy as it would require a dangerous amount of energy. He also claims to have eliminated any chance of heat causing it to move.
The experiments also seem pretty cheap to perform. At the moment he's appears to be using only a cut of water, a light weight object and a glass container to stop wind from moving it. I think I should recreate some of these experiments before I think about buying an Egely Wheel.I'm generally a bit of a skeptic too. I do believe that there is a power some how connect to the mind and still unaccepted by mainstream science, but I'm still looking for more objective evidence of this.
Here's a link to the article:
http://www.kirlian.org/interesting/egely/leiras2.htm

Chris_com28 · Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 89

I've been looking for more information on it and it seems even James Randi has heard of it. He even did a short "debunk" of it. It seems his site is down so I found his comments of it on another site that appears to have quite a large archive dedicatedto him.His only explanation for it's movement was wind probably caused by the person breathing on it. Though if what I read about Egely's experiments is true then that would be very unlikely.
http://www.ponaganset.org/index.pl/ponaganset_post/http-proxy?proxiedUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.randi.org%2Fjr%2F080803.html&func=view
However, there is one other explanation that I don't think was elimnated yet. Someone on another site said that vibrations could be causing it to move. I guess it could be possible, though I doubt it if the wheel is able to spin at high enough speeds and seems to be under the control of the person testing the device. I'm thinking this explanation could also be easily tested some how by creating controlled vibrations.

Chris_com28 · Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 89

Zygos · Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 207

Chris_com28 · Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 89

Well not that it would change much but I sure am not marketing or profiting in any way from this, except learning more about it.

dowser · Joined: 10 Nov 2005 Posts: 12 Location: Canada

Chris_com28 · Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 89

That's interesting. I acutally used a psi wheel instead before I decided to spend that much on an Egely Wheel. I came to the same conclusion as you, that it wasn't powered by breathing or by body heat. Though soon after I started experimenting I suffered a bit of an emotional problem and couldn't move the wheel at all. Since then I haven't really bothered.

dowser · Joined: 10 Nov 2005 Posts: 12 Location: Canada

Well, now I have more toys to play with - a friend of mine is retireing and selling off his stash - some 10k in equipment and crystals - and asked me to move it for him. There is an axion spin generator that is supposed to move the wheel from a distance. I will test it time permitting. I'm not sure yet what it would prove if it does move, but it would definitely eliminate the heat or air movement theories. I'm not well versed in spin fields, I just find it interesting from a practical point of view - my intuition tells me that it may have application in boosting manifestation process. I've already found out it aids in distance energy transfer between crystals - distance doesn't seem to matter.

RemoteControl · Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 157 Location: USA

James Randi already debunked this. He said "Folks, this is a very old stunt, used by carnival hucksters for generations to convince gullible victims that "energies" are being demonstrated. That little wheel will spin around under any influence, but not if it's carefully shielded from outside drafts or the user's breath" . Seems like a scam anyway, the guy probably makes lots of money off of it.

Also if anyone knows anything about orgone energy and Qi that shouldn't work right anyway.

dowser · Joined: 10 Nov 2005 Posts: 12 Location: Canada

Chris_com28 · Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 89

The guy devoted barely a paragraph to debunking it. Sure there must be many extraneous variables but he offered no conclusive proof that it was due to air currents. Though it would be better if the device was covered with a glass bowl or something to shield it from any draft.

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