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Can a consciousness/ego divorce its higher self?

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breakbeat_soul



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:11 pm    Post subject: Can a consciousness/ego divorce its higher self? Reply with quote

What I mean is can a person in their spiritual path during incarnation essentially file for divorce from their higher self (via the All That Is) if the conclusion is inescapable - no matter how grieving - that their higher self created their circumstances in a capricious manner.

I don't mean that in a 'Woah is me' sort of way but rather set circumstances in motion that have been from the beginning irrevocably degenerative for spiritual growth or application. This would mostly apply for people who were lets say born into either a childhood 'hidden' (not qualified by society) disability who have been buried under it or those who lets say were abused by parents or relatives to the point that it snowballed into social darwinistic abuse from the rest of society (same with the first mention) which leaves them not only with emotional and subconscious scars but still incurring more even as they do everything they possibly can to help themselves.

I'm curious to know if anyone has ever claimed it possible to do such a thing - ie. request seating in a new energy stream, burning the old life contract, novating it with a new one under essentially a new personal deity or higher self, and if not joining an already created energy stream perhaps finding compassion from the All That Is to have a makeshift 'higher-self' created as an interem holder until this life cycle is over.

I guess for me I cannot fathom a situation where the universe in any sane way would put a person here to have all the motivation in the world to help themselves and be dragged down the hole into regression kicking, screaming, and clawing the whole way down.

Also please, I'd like to avoid personal psycho-analysis on this one and just stick to the known actualities of the question.

Thanks.
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BARASHIN



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Can a consciousness/ego divorce its higher self? Reply with quote

breakbeat_soul wrote:
What I mean is can a person in their spiritual path during incarnation essentially file for divorce from their higher self (via the All That Is) if the conclusion is inescapable - no matter how grieving - that their higher self created their circumstances in a capricious manner.

I don't mean that in a 'Woah is me' sort of way but rather set circumstances in motion that have been from the beginning irrevocably degenerative for spiritual growth or application. This would mostly apply for people who were lets say born into either a childhood 'hidden' (not qualified by society) disability who have been buried under it or those who lets say were abused by parents or relatives to the point that it snowballed into social darwinistic abuse from the rest of society (same with the first mention) which leaves them not only with emotional and subconscious scars but still incurring more even as they do everything they possibly can to help themselves.

I'm curious to know if anyone has ever claimed it possible to do such a thing - ie. request seating in a new energy stream, burning the old life contract, novating it with a new one under essentially a new personal deity or higher self, and if not joining an already created energy stream perhaps finding compassion from the All That Is to have a makeshift 'higher-self' created as an interem holder until this life cycle is over.

I guess for me I cannot fathom a situation where the universe in any sane way would put a person here to have all the motivation in the world to help themselves and be dragged down the hole into regression kicking, screaming, and clawing the whole way down.

Also please, I'd like to avoid personal psycho-analysis on this one and just stick to the known actualities of the question.

Thanks.


One can never fully 'separate' themselves from All That Is.

The small self, the "I", the self focused by the Ego can never cut themselves fully from Source.

The choice can be made, however, unconsciously (through further perception of separation, depression, etc etc) to intensely 'weaken' the connection.

The Ego, to me, is a focusing tool. When working in concert with the Ego, it no longer is perceived as an 'obstacle', 'enemy', or 'adversary'.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Complete separation is not possible because the lower self is part of the higher self.
You can ask the higher self not to interfere with your life but you are still part of them.
You are them,they are you.No separation.
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breakbeat_soul



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was able to look at the issues again and peel myself back from that mindset. Anytime I do though I think its kind of a compromise - ie. realizing that most people are put through restrictive events, many of which they can't help and many of which are childhood/genetically given.

I think the biggest frustration is getting the sense of both being held to the ground and being held at standstill as if life is bottling you into a state with high potential for regression. Then again I have to admit - I'm at the most strenuous point that I think a person can be in their progress of co-creation - ie. a few months in, being told by a psychic or two that my guides are telling me I'm 'intermediate', and I still have absolutely no tangible proof whatsoever that anything I've tried to manifest is working. That could be what's wearing on me but as it does it tends to bring all kinds of prior thinking to wash back in and fill the faith-gap with restrictions. Taking this as slow and proper as I can but its quite tricky.

Sorcerer wrote:
Complete separation is not possible because the lower self is part of the higher self.
You can ask the higher self not to interfere with your life but you are still part of them.
You are them,they are you.No separation.

Correct. I would not have wanted to separate from the All That Is, I had some desire at times to backtrack up the energy stream I'm from - if possible - and find one that both more closely matched my values and would allow me the freedoms that I've been trying to establish.

What I'm somewhat forced to admit - its an extremely, extremely sophomoric proposal (ie. supposedly 673 earth incarnations, previous Mintakan - don't know the count) but at the same time it coincides with a sensation in me that breaks down: a bit like my guides or higher self generally only speak to me if I drop my goods on the table so to speak and force an issue. Another time in particular I made a first-time of third plateauing on DXM for similar reasons - got good results but, at this point (perhaps my senses are just too dulled) it felt like I was practically forced to hostage negotiations for answers.

Being all of that had me acting in ways I didn't want to (and emotionally all over the map) I cut it out and have really tried to keep middle ground - reserve decision or judging the issue until I can see all the pieces and parts, still, even there that can start the slow ware again. Heh, I could be looking for another 'door opener' if this keeps up however I'd rather do that completely of my own volition rather than from being in a place where I'm emotionally/energetically driving on a bent axle and cyclically smacking the concrete.


On another note I'm glad I checked in on this topic but I also do have another thread I'd like to start - specifically on being able to tell the difference between intension not coming through via not enough energy or time yet. vs. higher/inner self veto. If you guys wanted to add some thoughts on that thread it would be incredibly helpful.
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Sabrinmg



Joined: 29 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a question that has driven me bonkers, to which I got the following answer.

We, as humans, can only ever understand duality by the existence of opposing concepts, hot/cold, light/dark etc.

Source doesn't know duality, it is Divine perfection.

The closest I've known anyone get to understanding this is when the say they don't understand, but it's similar to two sides of the one coin. One side can't exist without the other. Source is the coin itself. You with me so far?

To answer your question, from the dualistic point of view, we can easily "divorce" from Source. That kinda rhymes:P

At the same time, from the non-dualistic perspective, it's not possible.
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mack



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One can't cut themselves of completely from their higher self but what I've observed is that it's possible to close down the faculties that let people experience and connect to the higher self. How developed that faculty is makes the difference between people who can see, talk or feel their higher self in different degrees and people who are like pfff...there's no such thing...spirituality is bs....my updates on twitter are more important. Basically their faculty to connect is so atrophied it's like trying to get a 10 year couch potato to do a gymnastics routine. They think it's impossible for them even if they see another human being doing it with their own eyes.
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