Mystical Wonders Discussion Group

munchkins · Joined: 16 May 2012 Posts: 11

Hi everyone,

I have for the past few days been thinking about Karma. I'm sure it has been discussed before but I thought I can create a new thread anyway...

This thread and my questions might be quite stupid to some of you who read this thread however I think I can walk away with a new way of looking at things thanks to your awaited replies...

Karma& general idea

I have lately been thinking of Karma. In general most people seem to agree to the fact that what goes around comes back around to one.For example, if someone does bad to another person then the deed caused to the other person will eventually come back to the initiator. Moreover, I have seen this happen to many a people.

A soldier's view

Now, I was watching on Youtube a video about the word's most elite military team. One of the retired soldier said ; They don't think of what is right or wrong, karma , killing a life and etc... the only thing that matters to them is accomplishing the team's mission, which in this case might be killing a terrorist and return back home safe and sound without any casualties.

Thoughts
Can we say that those persons , like the soldier above, that keep the concept of karma out of their system will not be affected of it? - Obviously, the soldier does not think that , "OK, I have killed this terrorist and now the moral and mental consequences will catch me ... eventually.... even though I did it for a good reason".

Anti-karma example

My dad's business partner betrayed him when he he need most support. My dad needed a knee surgery and I was overseas.The knee surgery meant 6 months period of rehabilitation.Just after my dad had his knee surgery, his business partner come home and acted out as everything was alright and he stood with my dad shoulder-to-shoulder.Both of them had 50-50 shares.

Well... weeks later he had opened a new firm, transferred all the assets to his own firm without my dad's signature, played a drama at the bank to release the funds so that he could transfer them to other accounts.In short, it was a well-planned betrayal and he wanted to ensure my family ended on the street homeless and without any funds. The legal system didn't give my dad justice.A stack of dollar bills at several important offices must have made sure everything went smooth for the business partner. My dad got nothing ... no justice.

Today, after a couple of years , his former business partner is making 4x more money than my dad. Some persons that worked for this business partner have returned to my dad's own firm.They say the business partner does not believe in karma... he did what was right. A proper business decision.

It was because of this situation that made me think of whether karma can be thought of a disease in the body.As long as it is inside the body, it surely does cause havoc...and if it is not inside the body then the body is well.

What are your thoughts after reading this thread on karma?

Sabrinmg · Joined: 29 Jan 2012 Posts: 192 Location: Over the rainbow

Good thread. Good thoughts. Good questions.

In my view, the concept of karma is a good one. Like most concepts, it is often not used to it's full potential.
Karma is often used as justification for choosing to undergo limited thinking and circumstances. As in "This keeps happening, it must be bad karma - no point trying to change it", or whatever thought process it might be

On the other hand, those very same people will completely ignore the concept of karma when it suits them. "Karma is bull! I can do this if I want!"

The above are prime examples of not using karma to it's full potential.

A better way might be to use karma in the Buddhist sense of Samsara (reincarnation), Karma and Nirvana (Divine Union). In this sense, it is our karma (attachments) that keep us from Nirvana and stuck in a neverending cycle of Samsara.

To release karma and come closer to the Divine, we need to give release attachments. It can get complex, but what I'm talking about here is exactly opposite to what is described above.

It's best to be "nice", to the best of our ability. We may just have to relive what we do. Even if we don't, releasing of supposed karma has no ill consequences that I've ever seen

Have fun Smile

.

munchkins · Joined: 16 May 2012 Posts: 11

Sabrinmg · Joined: 29 Jan 2012 Posts: 192 Location: Over the rainbow

breakbeat_soul · Joined: 08 Aug 2012 Posts: 20

OP:

Yeah, a lot of problems come up for me with the notion of karma. Firstly that there's so many schools of thought that debate whether incarnation is serial or, time being illusory, whether its one oversoul for each of us living countless lives in different time periods at the same time.

With military you also bring up moral hazard of killing in self defense - ie. if its karma to kill - at all (ie. violation) and then its a lighter but still salient form of karma to be a victim - that's really saying whoa to those who are strong enough to be protectors or civil servants and then whoa to the vulnerable. It insinuates that when we do pre-life planning as well and draw out that nightmare multi-dimensional spreadsheet that makes Enron's chart of accounts look uncreative we've got karma for future lives already thrown in there for kicks and we're looking forward to getting stabbed, shot, raped, ripped off, humiliated, or to be the aggressor in these things. Supposedly that's not to say that we aim to have the later things happen or be a perpetrator, it just 'could'; I have no clue what that's supposed to mean.

If I understand it right, the implication is we're in something that's part wild fetish ball and part MTV Jackass with no safety net where the more we participate and 'live' the more we're invited back.

What gets more baffling is that you can have karma from situations that are not only non-victim and non-aggressor but also completely beyond your control. Supposedly in my last life I was a closet alchemist that was excommunicated by the Catholic church and then burned for heresy, so I come back with a disability which causes me to need to somewhat shut myself off in certain ways - supposedly the theme of both is personal power and authenticity but to look at both of these situations analyticallly... the implication would be that in my past life I incurred this karma by either a) being curious enough to want to learn the real deal of life or b) for being excommunicated and killed for having a secret stash of documents rather than being excommunicated and killed for being on the street corners professing it to the world. When I look at the demands in this current life to 'throw of my oppression' and be a leader it leaves me equally nonplussed. From that standpoint it seems like my odds of coming back in another lifetime with karma caused by having a disability in this lifetime might be pretty good.

breakbeat_soul · Joined: 08 Aug 2012 Posts: 20

To add to my last post - something's either still missing from our general understanding of karma or, the whole process is completely inside out. If its the later I really doubt we'd want to use karma as synonym for justice as its something far too alien to what we'd consider justice in our colloquial sense.

palladian_guardian · Joined: 27 Dec 2012 Posts: 13

Hi Munchkins,

Like your name!

Have been thinking about this thread for awhile, what happened to your father, as it is something that has also happened to me, and more than once in this life. Pretty bad, huh? Have to admit felt pretty stupid to ignore the signs. Ignored my inner voice, that tingling sense of danger, as the surface appearances seemed so calm - not a cause for alarm. Wound up going to counseling because of it and my therapist remarked that from everything she heard, I was dealing with a sociopath. I looked it up and recognized the signs, her attributes, though I had always described her, thought of her as "indifferent to the point of cruelty." Here's a website for you that might help define it better:
http://www.vodahost.com/web-hosting-sociopath-test-sociopath-definition.html/

About Karma: Barbara Ann Brennan, in her book, "Healing Hands of Light" mentions having to clear out of a man's aura a time when he was "lustily engaged in hand to hand combat" and got killed. So yes, it follows us even though not aware of it.

Years back, my 8th chakra began to open, and I remembered some of my past lives. It felt like I had permission to to access to the Ashakic records primarily to understand what karma issues I had chosen to work through in dealing with this person and their effect on my immediate family. and to heal them? Resolve them? That was my intent.. long story.

Up until this point, after having a series of past lives given to me via meditations over the course of a couple of months, I was startled to realize that while I never disregarded the notion of "past lives" I never put that much stock in them either. What came to me around this time is that all the memories of who we have ever been come in with us at birth as a layer of vibration. Also what used to come to me was in image of a dandelion, and that I, the current me, was some sort of junction point, a hub for all these other experiences and that one could influence the other, being sort of tied together like a spider-web.

Also I believe refraining from judgement as this was a "bad, awful, heart-rendering" experience is not the best option as this point; for hopefully in the midst of that dark experience, love came forward in a myriad of ways to your father - be grateful for it. Somehow the idea of discerning that which is dark is different than Judging it as so. First commandment is to Not Judge. That is God's task. In doing so, seeking revenge, might be the very path on which the karma travels and regains itself again in another cycle to repeat in another life... There is something about this that I don't quite get, understand yet.. Did you ever get an email about a bird that got pooped on and then it turned out that that very poop protected him, gave him knowledge some how? This is what my hope has been for myself. To let go with out continuing - stop - the cycle of abuse...

As to why I needed to learn this, what my lesson was in experiencing this, take responsibility for my part in allowing it to happen, not knowing how to stand in my truth, naive and blind, etc. that came just a few days ago..it was because, "I had forgotten who I am." Not sure if this applies to you, however I am certain there are lessons uncovered and discovered. I try to be grateful for this person for showing me the "dark", as well as the empty path that longing for power can take. I think I can pray that if it is in her divine will that it be her undoing as well. I can't be the judge of that. Anger can be healing, for it was telling me along that something wasn't right, but I couldn't see it. Did your father perhaps, also ignore, put off warning signs and convince himself it was "nothing", a flicker of imagination?

-------------
Breakbeat_Soul,

The following is in response to your remarks..

There has been given a whole set of lessons for me and working through past life karma. It's like these threads of connections extending out from my belly button and ending up in lives, areas, people that I didn't know existed. Whether real or not, the stories I gleamed shed light on several of my relationships as well as circumstances. Helped me to see what I carried over, and how it impacted this current life, the lesson not learned. In one, my anger spilled out and influenced several lives within it's sphere. It was a biggy. Owed someone a karmic debt as a result. I guess, it could work with good things about my oversoul as well. Haven't tried it yet, wasn't my intent. The lives came to me, were given, sort of as an answer, as to why I as where I was in my life. I didn't go looking for them, calling them back, they came to me..It started out by trying to identify and trace feelings I didn't understand, going back through my life, having no memory of where it came from, asking my body where is was, and after not finding it, wondering where it came from... it's then I was given these strands and upon following them, traveling on them, ended up in another place, another time..The first was sort of painful, like going hand over hand on a rope..Scary too. Much like going through an abyss. Who knew past lives were real and could have such a bearing on who we came in as, what our lessons are?

I worked with them for awhile. About a year maybe? I took information back to a few, suggested they listen to that "inner voice" that something was wrong, (a karmic issue obviously with me!) which then changed their life, but not all the circumstances. Death, for instance, still happened. I couldn't change that, even though I tried. Maybe other people have more insight than I do, but I couldn't change, prevent someone dying, even if still harboring some sorrow from it.. I could only change ME, or who I was, not any one else. For the angry life, she wouldn't even talk, or listen to me when I tried to go back - she was that stuck on being mad! That generated a lot of Karma, for she was made at GOD, and the church, it's authorities and her family too. Huge impact. Comes up still. I believe however that she finally paid off her Debt in Dec. Seems she came to say good-bye and was at finally at peace with God.

Hope this helps. The whole issue of betrayal and karma triggered so much for me that am afraid not very clear. Karmic lessons repeat until we learn them. Also have this thought that with all the changes, information, lifting that the earth is going through, at this time we all are being given, are being placed in the position to heal ourselves of our past transgressions, clear that karmic book, all with assistance and guidance from our higher beings, whose purpose is to enable us to chose our greatest good. It's important for the planet to heal the memories which bind us, hurt us and others - one of the reasons of this forum. We are being blessed with many tools, techniques which can lift and free us to becoming more than we ever thought possible.

Thanks for posting this thread! Feels good just to discuss and get off chest..
Blessings

Gosh, tried to preview to edit, maybe shorten but it made me log out and in again.. Is that normal? I am fairly new. Think I will just go for it!

haywired · Joined: 19 Mar 2015 Posts: 19

My point of view about Karma is rather furious. To me, it doesn't exist. But it is only a ploy used to scare people from reaching their full potential here on this earth.

Karma is a method of blackmail, lies and arousing fear by those who wish to control others. Karma by all standards means to me equality and all that is, is ultimately karma. If Karma is, then all is Karma, and the human conception of karma is just another lie and false belief used by those who like fooling the masses. Just my opinion.

Edaen · Joined: 18 Mar 2015 Posts: 14

Good Post. Really good thoughts.According to me Karma is based on logic. It is an unavoidable consequence of our creations. When we create anything, we also create other things which might not be what we intended.You can’t escape from karma. Your actions have consequences. Karma is the invisible power that balances the universe. You created your destiny.

Messenger11 · Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:56 pm Post subject:

In my opinion Karma is really a state of mind. It doesn't really exist. If something bad happens to your dad's ex business partner then everyone will say it karma, he got what he deserved but if nothing happens nobody will say anything or they will say bad guys always win. This is not true, bad things and good things happen all the time, it's the way of the universe. It's known as the Law of Rhythm.

With that said, we should also consider chaos theory. Small subtle changes in a system can result in a major change at the end of the system that can seems unrelated. This is like an avalanche. The snow moves a little here and there with no real big movement but all that small movements results in a massive slide. This can be true for our actions as well. Small bad deed here and there will no real consequence can create an avalanche that turns on the person.

	Mystical Wonders Discussion Group Forum Index -> General Spiritual Topics	All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1