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cameronsangel · Joined: 12 Jul 2010 Posts: 21

I have so many things to do in my life and with very little time. I have swwn immortality spells around the internet and I was wondering if any of them work because I am considering becoming one.

Caerdon · Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Posts: 126 Location: Canada

while it is theoretically possible to extend your life via an accumulation of energy, mystic power and knowledge to be beyond a normal lifespan, to become truly immortal... well, there is no true spell for it, and if there was it wouldn't be floating around on the internet.

Markotb · Joined: 10 May 2011 Posts: 13

I dont think physical immortality is possibe.

Every material object, animal, mineral or vegitable, has a lifespan. It is a law on the material plain, not only does everything eventualy die, but Karma itself will not allow immortality.

The upside is that there IS a part of us that IS immortal and if you are working your desiny you will continue 'to do all the many things you have to do in your life' over however many lives it takes.

The 'very little time' you have been given is enough time for what you have to do in this life, if you can accomplish a little more so much the better.

Kind Regards
Markotb

d_redant · Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 2:54 pm Post subject:

I think physical immortality is possible.

As long as you continue to believe its not possible..it won't be..for you..

Markotb · Joined: 10 May 2011 Posts: 13

Hi d_redant,

Under what circumstances is immortality possible? Throughout the know history of the world I cannot recall one instance of human immortality. If you have a means to this end please give me a hint for further thought.

Even the greatest mystics, sages, magicians and priests eventually physically die. Sure some figures in the Bible lived for hundreds of years but that is not immortality. Currently the longest human lifespan on record is around 120 years.

Believing something does not necessarily make it real, its not that easy.

I hope to see you still alive and well at the end of time, but I will probably not remember you in my incarnation at that time.

Kind Regards
Markotb

d_redant · Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 3:24 pm Post subject:

Under many circumstances immortality is possible.

Just because to your awareness it's not possible does not rule it out for the rest of the Universe.. You are operating from your energy and perspective..which may not involve comprehending and living the realistic nature of immortality in this lifetime...A certain strong spiritual level has to be attained before immortality can come into the equation.

You are quite unaware of mystics, sages and priests who have not physically died.. Look to the Eastern/Vedic side of things to get some insights.. I'm not interested in a debate though..But you can do your digging..

Belief is a strong power...as while it may not be easy to just believe something and make it real..with repitition of belief and following inner guidance..everything and anything is possible..

You can of course continue to operate from a limited standpoint..but i'll continue to operate from an unlimited standpoint...of which there will be no comparison of in terms of whatever you will continue to think about yourself and your view of the Universe...

In reality your thoughts about the matter have zero bearing on the actuality of the matter as it relates to me or anyone else...It all only operates that way for you...

You really have no intent to be physically immortal..so your entire Universe/Life/thoughts/energy,etc....is all being conditioned to die when you get old..That can work for you..if that's what you want..to follow the masses Smile

Markotb · Joined: 10 May 2011 Posts: 13

Thanks d_redant,

Thats given me some food for thought. And you are correct, I do not have immortality within my current 'limited standpoint' and my 'following the masses'.

I also do not wish to debate, nor dig.

You say yes, I say no. Neither can be totally proved. But if physical immortality is possible it will not ever be proved because no one will be left to see it, so its realy a moot point.

My posts are only my opinions, in answer to quesions and other opinions.

And while an Immortal is still alive immortality remains unproved and if they die mortality is proven......now Im doing my head in. How does one prove immortality? Belief? The belief in the Easter Bunny delivering chocolate eggs?

We have to agree to disagree.

And at the end of the day, of all the Immortals 'there can be only one'.
And with only One there is no witness to corroborate the story.

Kind Regards
Markotb

VibratingPickle · Joined: 12 Apr 2011 Posts: 128

I am sure immortality is possible. Thing is, if you were that advanced to begin with, you would not want immortality. You would understand your purpose, and have no reason to continue the game if your purpose is fulfilled.

I would say there is a paradox there. Very Happy

lenred · Site Veteran Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 1512 Location: US

In brief, individuals have many different beliefs about immortality and here is another aspect to consider relative to time and longevity. While all things are possible, when on the other side prior to reincarnation, many factors are involved and discussed relative to one taking on a new 3D lifetime.

For example, which aspect of our essense and which parts thereof are best qualified for the challenge/experience. What does the experience involve. How much 'time' to resolve the upcoming situation would be allocated, and so on.

In this allocation of time, we as spirit beings have input in this discussion with the prevailing hierarchy, concerning time and many other diverse components and considerations of the incarnation. The end result is a contractual agreement with the hierarchy to do our best to fulfill that agreement.

After incarnation and progression of this new experience, time starts to become a factor. At that point if resolution is seen as a viable probabiliy due to the progress and growth of the personality involved, the contract can be renegotiated with time increased accordingly and can be renegotiated again. This determination is decided by the hierarchy (refered to as spirit by some). Depending upon probable events that will transpire, priority of the incarnation is a major consideration for extending the allocated time.

Markotb · Joined: 10 May 2011 Posts: 13

Hi Lenred, I totally agree with your concept of the life 'between lives' 100%.

If immortality it possible, then it negates the importance of reincarnation and karma, which I believe is impossible.

One just cannot live forever, regardless of how much we believe we can, and avoid karma and reincarnation.

If one has evolved beyond karmic debt and the need for reincarnation, one still cannot stay forever, an evolved spirit of that nature would surely move on, perhaps having an influence on the material world but not in a material body.

Kind Regards
Markotb

d_redant · Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 6:11 pm Post subject:

I do not think immortality negates the importance of reincarnation and karma. Not by a long shot..This is trying to use various perspectives to argue against immortality but this is not taking into considerating the holistic view of things..

The Karma of the individual in this current incarnation will determine if living forever physically is for them or not..If they have more lessons to finish which takes more incarnations they will continue to die and re-incarnate naturally.. and of course immortality isn't for the masses! Most will choose not to opt for immortality but those who do have various missions to carry out on the physical realms...

Again one cannot live forever if one does not believe they cannot live forever firstly... Also important is the karma of the person. If a person has learnt all they needed to learn in their multiple incarnations then why would it be impossible to conceive that their next level is conquering the physical realms fully (which includes immortality)?

You're free to believe whatever you want (your beliefs apply to only you and you alone...not me) but I highly disagree with you on the following

"If one has evolved beyond karmic debt and the need for reincarnation, one still cannot stay forever, an evolved spirit of that nature would surely move on, perhaps having an influence on the material world but not in a material body."

Why do you think being evolved means not having a physical representation? How do you know this for sure? What is your reference?

Again immortality will never be within a persons reach if they continue to doubt the reality of it..and the fact that a person doubts the validity of physical immortality simply means it isn't in their level of soul development to be able to imagine and experience such things in this current incarnation..again boils down to Karma which is an important part of the whole wanting to be immortal issue.

Nothing is impossible...Always remember that...And everyone is Unique..You are not the same as me and vice versa..

d_redant · Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 6:43 pm Post subject:

Of course you do not wish to debate or dig..because Immortality is not within your sphere of imagination and manifestation in this current lifetime due to your soul development,karma,etc..Everyone is unique.

Anyway yea I say yes totally immortality is possible for certain people.not everyone..

You are not interested real proof as your mind will continue to find ways to dissect the validity of it all..simply put it's not within your sphere of comprehension and manifestation..because you already totally believe its not possible..This has nothing to with Easter bunnies beliefs,etc..In fact that's an out of place comment which makes no sense to what we are talking about here and now...

So you want witnesses and proofs to immortality? You won't ever find it because you're not really tuned in to it all...and not interested in digging too as you mentioned...so makes no sense touting the words witness and proofs... because deep down you're not really interested!! Smile

But it's all cool..

Immortality and the drive to be immortal is a truly spiritual thing which can and will manifest for those who know that its for them in this lifetime (done via investigation,realizations,research,following inner guidance,etc)...

Markotb · Joined: 10 May 2011 Posts: 13

d_redant,

I think we had a misunderstanding. I am interested in the subject of immortality.

When I said I didnt want to dig, I meant I didnt want to 'have a dig at anyone' as in putting cr*p on them, or belittleing them. I didnt realise that you meant digging for info.

Any links and leads you can provide would be much appreciated.

Thanks in Advance
Markotb

d_redant · Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 5:35 pm Post subject:

I never meant putting cr*p or belittleing someone..I did meant digging for information..I thought that was quite clear..

You won't find any real information on immortality online...but i'll have a look around and see what I can find that is good information...if not when I get time i'll write up some stuff.

Sciamancer · Joined: 14 Jun 2011 Posts: 15

There are many ways to extend your life.

Modern medicine has over doubled the average life expectancy by eliminating life-shortening disease and even alleviating diseases that come naturally with age. Good nutrition makes you live longer. Being happy makes you live longer. Heck, if you're a heterosexual male, regularly looking at breasts makes you live longer. And some people think magic is crazy, eh?

Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately?) there is no such thing as immortality. All things come to an end. Energy and matter are constantly recycled into new things. It's hard to draw a line where you cease to exist, though.

Obviously there is the marker of death, the ceasing of brain activity, that most people use. Our consciousness ends, our memories end, but we survive in that our bodies decompose and feed bacteria. That is physical immortality. We live on in people's memories. In that, we are also immortal.

Or perhaps we never exist for even a nanosecond. All the time, parts of us, cells die and are replaced. Do we become different people? Our bodies change. The same is with our mind; are we the same people that we were infants? Are we even the same people that we were a minute ago?

Deep stuff. Anyway, in the sort of immortality you mean, no, at least not yet. I doubt it would be possible. Even if you do manage to make it so that in theory your body and mind would never end by themselves, no doubt something else would eventually kill you. The earth is not eternal, after all.

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