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Rumba
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 Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:06 pm Post subject: Random Question About Servitors and Thoughtforms
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Hi, as I was out biking one day, a curious thought entered my mind:
Thoughtforms can be deconstructed and absorbed by creator. Because of that, can't someone BESIDES the creator deconstruct the Thoughtform? What would they gain from it?
I know it sounds stupid, but does anyone have an answer to my questions?
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:33 pm Post subject:
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Someone with the right skill could, yes. It'd only be a gain of energy based on how much was put into it.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:27 pm Post subject:
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Huh... that's interesting. Sounds like it would have a lot of practical applications (along with the potential of being a huge jerk with it (children's imaginary friends count as low-grade Thoughtforms, right?)) in magical situation.
For example, if you accidentally piss off a chaos magi, and he tries hexing you (because, to my knowledge, even sigils are thought constructs, much lower grade then my above example of imaginary friends)), as soon as you know you got hexed, you could deconstruct the spell for free power.
So, I guess what I'm asking now is would the above situations work the same way?
Along with that, I can't help but wonder how to even use this (I am astrally blind) when you don't know where the Thoughtform IS, and if by absorbing one, you would pick up the desire that drove the creation of the Thoughtform.
Maybe I should change the topic name, because I keep coming up with questions on this matter.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:38 pm Post subject:
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I wouldnt call imaginary friends thought forms and if one knew how to break into energy thats all itd be. The hexes you're probably thinking of usually work the targets energy against itself so it can be prevented or undone with ease depending on your abilities vs theirs.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:31 pm Post subject:
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So this doesn't have as much potential as I had hoped? Aw... not that I know any magi that I could test this on anyway. It was just a thought.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:31 pm Post subject:
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Im not sure if you quite understand chaos magic but here's a few texts that outline some practices and the basis behind it.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/chaos/index.htm
Its basically glorified balck magic which anyone can do with enough time, though it won't get you far.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:40 pm Post subject:
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The darkness only takes one so far.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:54 pm Post subject:
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Hey, I understand, the concept of what I designed was more bent towards malicious deeds than good, but magic is only as black as its purpose. Surely, this technique would be very effective in magical defense, under certain circumstances. The same with Chaos Magic itself. If one uses a sigil to help another recover from illness, is that wrong?
Regardless, if this is viable, it is for the wielder to decide how to apply it, not society.
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Its not the intent that makes black magic its the source, which is darkness. And I see no technique you mentioned. The light is far more effective for doing any actual good. Black can maybe help one gather energy to aid or grab some for a wordly end but that's it.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Random Question About Servitors and Thoughtforms
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You can read my article on thought forms for some info if you wish.
http://www.mysticalwonders.org/group/viewtopic.php?t=12659&highlight=thought+forms+step+step
| Rumba wrote: | Hi, as I was out biking one day, a curious thought entered my mind:
Thoughtforms can be deconstructed and absorbed by creator. Because of that, can't someone BESIDES the creator deconstruct the Thoughtform? What would they gain from it?
I know it sounds stupid, but does anyone have an answer to my questions? |
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:18 pm Post subject:
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The technique is what I started the topic about: taking the concept of deconstructing one's Thoughtforms, and applying it to the Thoughtforms of others, harvesting the energy for oneself. And I believe we are getting off-topic with the whole white magic, black magic thing.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:24 pm Post subject:
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That wouldn't bring much energy, thought forms aren't that much and there's not much one could really do with it. The black and whites just getting down to the base of the energy source.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:30 pm Post subject:
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lenred: Thank you for the information. I read over some of it, clarified the process of creation.
SOL12: Ok, I understand what you were getting at now. Thank you for your time.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:32 pm Post subject:
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Anytime. If you have any more questions on chaos magic I can help, I've spent some time in the darkness and even more defending from and attacking it.
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| SOL12 wrote: | | That wouldn't bring much energy, thought forms aren't that much and there's not much one could really do with it. The black and whites just getting down to the base of the energy source. |
If I understand you correctly you are saying thought forms are pretty much useless. If that is what you are saying I would have to say that you have not created or used them properly. I use them to destroy negative thought forms, voodo and black magic thought forms and incapacitate and remove dark entities and the like. That seems rather valuable to me?
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