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celtica · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 37

Hi there ,going off on a slight tangent here, I was wondering what peoples views are of Demons ruling over the Aura and the Chakra's.. I was sent an audio to listen to, the speaker was John Todd, in it he claimed that the Aura was ruled and governed by Demons, it was very hard to tell from the recording but he gave the name Riger or Reeger ( I dare say spelt incorrectly ) as being the demon in charge... Any thoughts or truth behind it..

SOL12 · Joined: 28 Jan 2011 Posts: 219 Location: Erie

Demons can only control su h things via the host. They can use tricks and manipulations to lead to what ever end such as feeding from it or tampering such as to make one more prone to using and attracting darker energy. But ultimatly it is out of its direct control.

martouk · Joined: 22 Feb 2011 Posts: 60

Demons are constructed beings. They have no souls, and usually little or no personality. They are generally stupid and were designed for the sole purpose of creating harm and mayhem.

Demons are different than lost dark spirits - who are the energies of people who once had incarnation, and they are different than energy attachments which, although very bothersome, are more similar to a dark spirit.

Demons can have effect with people in the physical world, despite their not being seen. Demons are generally easy to vanquish if one has the trust in themselves to do what is necessary. The circled pentagram is the sign of calling a demon. To remove demons, psychically tattoo the circled pentagram (or 100, or 1000 of them) onto the demons and order them to answer the call, and answer them all. I have found very, very few demons who can withstand this type of defense.

Contrary to popular belief, it is not negative energy that attracts demons. They are in fact more drawn to people who are moving up the spiritual/vibrational ladder. It is one's frequency that attracts demons. The higher your frequency, the more likely you are to encounter them. Aside from the garden variety horror story type of encounter, where one person calls a demon against another, the majority of demons act to prevent people from advancing on their spiritual path.

To put it another way, those who created the demons want earth humans to operate within a certain frequency range. If we start to transcend the ceiling of that frequency, it serves as a beacon to the demons. They are designed to generate fear, and one of the pre-requisites of spiritual mastery is to overcome and dispel fear within ourselves.

Demons can be pests, and they can leave physical 'scars' of their 'hits', but they are not almighty nor unconquerable. They can be beaten, and by beaten I mean destroyed. This is not second hand telling, but comes from years of personal experience in the matter. It is the way it is.

d_redant · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: Demons

You really are clueless Martouk...yet portraying yourself as you know all the truths of the Universe.

The meaning of the word demon means 'old intelligence'...

It does not mean demons are stupid beings.. Certain demons have been around for eons and eons.. Do you not know this?

You are right in some observations of demons but not everything..

Did you know a demon can be used to heal as well?

You're not seeing the bigger picture of things I think...

Anyway your information is mixed with your personal emotional intense feelings on subjects with some good information.. Lets hope you find a balance

martouk · Joined: 22 Feb 2011 Posts: 60

I wrote from the seat of much personal experience in the matter. I don't particularly care what the old (earthly) meaning of the word is. I have never encountered a 'good' demon. There are many entities in the cosmos that have many skills for healing and other things that people in the past may have considered demons, or is it the Greek daemon (which is a different thing entirely).

People are ready to believe what they think they know, generally from external authority figures rather than from personal experiences. There is a plethora of topics in this forum that I won't write a thing on as I am not personally informed on the subject matters. I only write what I know, not what I think. Having said that, it should be understood that just because you may have no personal experience in something and believe in something different, does not invalidate what I have experienced. You can challenge what I share, you can disbelieve what I share, but it does not make the sharing a lie or incorrect. People can only accept the truth they are willing to accept. Everyone has the right to disagree.

BTW- calling me clueless is another personal attack. Have I attacked you on a personal level?

d_redant · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:16 pm Post subject:

So what makes you assume I have no personal experience in the matter?

You're right you've never encountered a good demon..It's not about demons being good or bad actually.. You have alot to learn..

You sound like an old christian fanatic..

martouk · Joined: 22 Feb 2011 Posts: 60

Yes, I do have a lot to learn, but not in the manner you might expect

d_redant · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:21 pm Post subject:

And what manner do i expect?

martouk · Joined: 22 Feb 2011 Posts: 60

Maybe about demons. I feel I know quite enough about them. But the spirit path is unending so long as one maintains integrity. The universe is vast and humankind on this planet, with all its science and religion, really knows nothing about the structure of this universe, let alone entertaining the idea that there are other universes just as vast.

The more I learn about the workings of the cosmos, the more I realize that what I know is still not even close to all that is available to one who operates in spiritual integrity. In that respect, there is no limit to the power we can gain and the understanding received by being open to new ideas.

Humans are very rigid in their thinking processes. We have to label things with words to harness concepts, but in actuality, there are some things that just can't be expressed in words, they take pictures to relate. To truly start to understand the cosmos, we have to let go of the boundaries of thought that keeps us harnessed in 3D. We have to stop thinking like humans. I find it is always better to inquire about things that go against my programmed thought rather than maintain the rigidity of thought that says I have it all figured out. No one has it all figured out, not even Prime Source. And even that idea is too hard for many to entertain.

SOL12 · Joined: 28 Jan 2011 Posts: 219 Location: Erie

You show actual accurate information but you come across in a manner that suggests you're full of yourself despite your claim to have let go of the illusion of ones self.

martouk · Joined: 22 Feb 2011 Posts: 60

That is merely a perception. There is a difference in arrogance and firm knowledge. I can't change what is, I only relate it from a foundation of knowing. That is not arrogance, that is firmness in knowing what is real. It may appear as arrogance, but surety of self does not equate with arrogance.

Arrogance is a position in which one has an ego investment in being correct. Arrogance holds attachement to the feedback results. I have no interest in the feedback to nurture my ego. I only present what I see as real without any attachment to being fed in return by being told I'm right. Arrogance is the need to be right. I don't harbor such needs.

The problem with human understanding is that when one knows what they know, it comes across as arrogance - especially when viewed from the standpoint of ego, for that is all that ego can understand - i.e. what ego itself would expect.

The fact is that I can't unknow what I know. I can alter what I believe, because belief is nothing more than a hope that something is true. But you cannot unknow what is known as fact. The problem teachers have always had is the perception of arrogance when there is actually no arrogance present. Most people are fluid in their ideas and they do not comprehend how someone can be firm in a knowing without the ego attachment to the feedback results. Ego says this must be arrogance because that is what ego understands.

Ego is a very interesting creature, considering it is generally a fictional character. Everything has to fit into the box of ego's imagining. It has to be classified and deemed non-threatening for ego to accept it. If the ego perceives a threat, then it has to label that threat. When someone is dealing from a standpoint of firm knowledge, to the ego personality it is threatening, so it thereby gets a label -- i.e. arrogance, in this particular instance. It amounts to perception most of all.

This is only generalization and non-specific, not geared at you in particular. I have encountered the arrogance observation many times as it is a natural perception of the ego. The ego is the hardest thing to quell on the spiritual path. It will not come to the party kicking and screaming or in any other manner. The ego has the need to feel that it is in charge, that is why it must destroy or deny anything it finds threatening.

This comes down to a point of being outside and looking in, or being on the inside looking out. I spent may years, like everyone on the path, standing on the outside of spiritual understanding wanting to get in. My ego ruled me as it does anyone else. There is a great difference between being outside versus inside. Outside looking in leaves us puzzled, particularly when we want in so badly. There comes a time in our development if we stay at it persistently enough, that one day you discover that you are on the inside looking out and those things you didn't understand before from the outside, now make perfect sense from the inside. This is what anyone on the spirit path is working to achieve.

There is a big difference in knowing something intellectually and being that same thing spiritually. First one must embrace the intellectual concept before that person can 'be' that concept in actuality. For all people, we act in a world that is ego-centric. For those who stay dedicated and overcome the ego, they become spirit-centric. This is basically the difference between being outside or inside.

There was much material that I digested over the years, probably as with yourself, that seemed either too mystical or fantastic to fully comprehend. There comes a time when many of these things prove to be true aspects of your being. For instance, I read all of Castenada's works at one time on my path and I found the teachings of Don Juan very confusing. Once I hit that trip point from outside to inside, many of Don Juan's teachings made perfect sense - and in light of that, I also perceived how incorrectly Castenada misinterpreted those teachings. What we all must learn is that it is the message that is important, not the messenger, nor necessarily the manner of delivery. Most people get wrapped up in the messenger too much to hear the actual message. That is an ego reaction. If you listen to spirit, you will be guided to what is correct.

Also, understand this, truth is a fluid thing. Truth can only be accepted as we are ready to believe it. What one believes to be truth today may turn out tomorrow as a falsehood, or only a partial truth, in light of greater truth. Many people are not willing immediately to accept greater truths when they are presented with them. One could say that they are not ready for them. And when I say not ready, it is not stated from an elitist or arrogant position, it simply means that they are not mentally or spiritually ready to accept them.

What seekers need to realize is that once you embark on the spiritual path, it is not to achieve any specific goal. It is the continuous journey and the excitement of discovery along the way that is the real reason for walking the path. Once one achieves a certain goal, then another goal will appear to shoot for. Walking the path is taking the journey, not reaching journey's end.

People need to be cognizant that we are all different. We will not all operate the same way or have the same gifts. There are transmitters and there are receivers. These two types of people function differently spiritually speaking. One should never wish for another's abilities, but instead learn to find what their own abilities are and work to enhance those. No one is going to operate with spiritual powers just like the person next to them. We are all different and we should focus on our individuality and developing our own skills within the framework of creation.

The key thing is to be open to ideas, especially ideas that challenge what we believe. I can say this from personal experience. I have come face to face with many of my cherished beliefs, only to find that the belief was not truth. I have faced the same uncomfortability as anyone in the forum when presented with new ideas. I am not immune or unknowing in the process, nor its impact in the individual. Sometimes advancement can be painful, I won't deny that, as I have experienced plenty of it myself when having to confront the idea that what I thought wasn't valid.

We stand at a crossroad in human development. It will take strength of spirit and strength of character to pull through the times ahead in the not too distant future. We all have that strength if we choose to dial into it. The balance point is in making the choice.

infobot · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 95

Demons are not bad or good.. They are not stupid either..

This topic was started about demons..

If you want to post about other topics post accordingly as new threads but stick to discussing demons here..

Don't stray

martouk · Joined: 22 Feb 2011 Posts: 60

My bad. Apologies. You cam remove the last post if you wish.

SOL12 · Joined: 28 Jan 2011 Posts: 219 Location: Erie

I understand I do it all the time. Just saying thats why eceryones been treatin u a bit dickishly. Its best to take in consideration how your messages are taken if you wish to pads them on.

martouk · Joined: 22 Feb 2011 Posts: 60

How a message is taken is up to the receiver. But then again, this is not about demons - haha

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