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Energyaddict88 · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 7

I'm new to this forum, i found it through google. I got into meditation about 2 years and then i felt this tingling all through my body. and found out about radionics psychic influence the whole shabang. and i would like to say most forums the vets, do not help the newbies like this. and out of respect i read all of thier questions so i wouldnt ask the same one. but they were all the questions i had and they were answered perfectly, thanks all u experienced peoples, and tip o the hat to my fellow noobs

Simplicity · Joined: 07 Dec 2008 Posts: 35

Great to hear Energyaddict! And welcome to the forum!
That tingling feeling is the energy flowing through your body. It's a great feeling and can be done any time during the day if you just imagine it.
Glad we can help you guys out, it's great to hear how everyone is practicing and your results Very Happy

flooza · Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Posts: 4

I would like to know wich is the best method/tehnique to enter Alpha state QUICK. I mean....QUICK,just like that! I guess the first step is to relax but it's not enough to calm the mental voice/internal dialogue so the focus could get some "energy" to penetrate victims shields.

Simplicity · Joined: 07 Dec 2008 Posts: 35

Entering quicker into alpha is done by relaxing sooner. You can do a few things:
1. Breathing. Imagine relaxing energy as you breath in, any stress or worries as you breath out.
2. Be in the moment. Just feel happy relaxing like you are, because well, it feels good.
3. Look at the "velvety blackness" inside your eyes. Don't strain, just look. You can venture out into the blackness too. I find that helps me forget about my body easily.

I use all three of those, and just relaxing for the sake of relaxing is a mindshift that helps a LOT. Just like doing MPS for the sake of doing it, not because you want the girl. It's fun Smile

If you are just starting out, don't worry so much about relaxing just the way you want to. If you get frustrated about not relaxing, take some more breaths. Good relaxation comes after doing it for a while, so being content to do MPS in whatever relaxing state you are in is absolutely fine.

Talbain · Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Posts: 86

I have a reflection with this issue and about the differences in the books that lead al the things we are doing talking about in this site: Amargi Hillier´s Mind Power Seduction and Joseph R. Plazo Psychic Seduction.
At first time one may believe that Amargi Hillier recommend doing the visualization and the feeling technique, and Plazo recommend that too, but adding other techniques such as the organ heating method. But analyzing the two books I realize that Amargi talks about his experience and his knowledge, and Plazo just collect techniques from other people, like Amargi´s, but not necessary he is a master at it. Reading one more time Pyshic Seduction 4 and 5, I reach the conclusion that he was writing about Amargi´s work, but without giving him the credit. Its true that visualization for seducing has been doing for eons, by a selected group of people in the human history, is not a thing that Amargi created, but he put that down in paper in a very didactical way, and it’s the same pattern of presenting the information, used at Psychic Seduction, and by another text in the web written by a guy called RAH in a site called Mindcontrolmanual.com wich no longer exist.

I say this for this reason: In Pyshic Seduction 5, Plazo present almost the same techniques that are listed in version 4, but add some kind of statistic or commentary about the effectiveness of the technique, based in the feedback of the readers and members of his site. He presents techniques that are effective at 100% 70%, 99%, 80% and so on (on the contrary, Amargi says that his only technique is 100% effective).But here is the catch: When he presents the “basic seduction techniques” (notice that), he add a commentary that has been posted previously in this forum, but I present it too:

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Rating of this Technique

The Visualization Method dates back prior to the Renaissance and was conducted as a means to generate remote emotional attraction. In actual practice however, this basic technique wields very little power. From uncountable user feedback, the various targets manifested minimal response only after numerous repeated and intense visualizations. On an added note, prolonged visualization can be very draining to the seduction artist! The human mind appears to have evolved and resists this ancient method of seduction. The effectiveness rating is 2%, rather meager! Five thousand years ago when man communicated through guttaral sounds and telepathy, the Visualization Method would have generated more impact. We have already lost a great deal of that facility.
Use of the Visualization Method, henceforth is not recommended. I urge that practitioners treat the Visualization Method as a history lesson... the mother technique which predates all other existing psychic seduction techniques in existence. Other methods of seduction which follow provide far greater and more rapid result. Etical Considerations: for Christians / religious, this method may be deemed inappropriate, demeaning, and contrary to established norms and therefore a taboo.

Bottomline: skip this technique. It's inherent weakness makes it not worth the effort. File it away in your mind as a history lesson.

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One member said that maybe he wants to sell more books and change his view of a method that he recommended previously. I think that is more a “battle” between “schools” of knowledge about psychic or mental seduction. It remembers me the debate that exist in the “pick up artist world” wich I´m sure a lot of members here are at the same time practitioners of the methods selled by David De Angelo, Cliff List, Mystery, Style, and the founder of all this stuff, Joss Reffries. The phenomenon is very curious because the members of one “school” dismissed the others, saying that there are nothing but “b…hit”.

I remember reading “The Game” by Neill Strauss and remember he knowing first all the schools and all the methods he could, and try them all, taking the best of one of them. I think this is the right way to do, keeping and open mind and integrate the knowledge into something that could work even better (but also this process involve putting out what doesn´t work).

But I´m not talking here about the pick up artist but about the Mind Power Seduction, and I really don´t understand why Plazo says that only 2% of the practitioners of visualization get results, and just after a very long time of work. Here we have heard stories about people who get successful even after just a week of practicing the techniques, and I don´t think that all those people are lying. I would like to know what you think about this.

And Flooza, please don´t use the word “victim”, that we are not harming anyone (doesn´t even their boyfriends). I would say it´s better to say “target”.
Smile

Talbain · Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Posts: 86

I have to add something. Plazo dismissed the visualization, including the "feeling" stuff. He is not sayin it doesn´t work because you only "see". For him, it doesnt work at all even if you feel the touching as it was happening in the real life.

mayday · Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 5

BlackPaw · Joined: 01 Dec 2006 Posts: 27

QUESTION!!

I agree psychic seduction works. BUT...

1. What if... when doing the visualisations the images (movie) you create actually happened. So its not some fantasy world you are creating, instead its the places you have been with her, the things you already did with her.. etc.
While doing this you dont simply remeber your memories - you maintain the present (like its happening now) and you include the magic touch feelings etc.

SO DOES THIS WORK AND TO WHAT EXTENT?

Thanks in advance.

Energyaddict88 · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 7

ok well if visualization isnt the best, what is?? i know about feeling and touching, organ heating and all that. is there another good technique out there?? i know there are but has anybody elts used another tech and got good results??

Talbain · Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Posts: 86

Hey guys and gals, I´m not saying MPS doesn´t work or isn´t the best method, I´m saying Plazo says it doesn´t work, but it has worked for me and for so many people in this forum. I´m asking why Plazo should say something like that. I believe, as I said earlier, that is a matter of “competition” stuff, as Amargi´s book is based on visualization, and is exactly the technique Plazo dismissed. I don´t know anyone who had tried the methods at Psychic Seduction. Does anyone of you?

Talbain · Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Posts: 86

And by the way Black Paw, how has been your matter with your girl? Have you broke more walls?

Energyaddict88 · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 7

ok so i've been doing the psychic seduction, visualization, "I am" affirmations, and organ heating technique. on this girl i dated two yearsx ago. we have been talking via facebook. BUT since we split she has not been very interested in anything I've had to say until about two days ago she really engages in our convos, and she called me two days ago, and she never called me when we were dating. so i know its working. she said she just called to say hi. I have been doing psychic seduction on her for over 1 month. and i stopped and then started back up again and thats when i started seeing results i know all of my energy and messages are trapped in her subconsious mind because i feel the energy course through my body. and with organ heating tech i bring it all to my hand, and with the energyball i bring so much energy to my third eye it feels like my head is going to explode. is there anyway to get past thier subcon mind?? or for faster results, or a more potent tech?? is it only gonna get more interesting from here??

BlackPaw · Joined: 01 Dec 2006 Posts: 27

Anyone answer my questiong does visualization work when the actual visualized pictures are things that already happened.

And the Plazo book is not worth, it has techniques that worked for the author, and what he personally uses. The book is heavely based on Amargi's book and there are complete paragraphs in Psychic Seduction 5 that are same as in the Mind Power Seduction.

@Talbain

Well after she broke up with her boyfriend she didn't talk too much. And thats when i paused. Few weeks ago i started to do MPS again with not so great results, i can't see any signs that she is attracted to me.
She acts more like a friend, and i think of myself like a shoulder for crying (i dont know if this is the right expression in english).

Maybe its so because my visualizations recently didn't involve any sexual activities in the scenarios.

Talbain · Joined: 03 Feb 2009 Posts: 86

Hi Black Paw.

I think that the fact she is talking to you after saying “she doesn´t want to know anything about you” is a sign that techniques are working just some targets are harder to get than others. Tell me, I´m almost in a same situation, the girl and I stop talking each other for six months and know we are on the way of being friends and later… well I hope.
But I agree with you about if she is now just seeing you as “just friends” you need to add sexual elements to the visualization.

And about your question, I don´t know exactly the answer, but I remember in the book says you can help your self with memories, but at the same time the book say you need to visualize and feel the experience as it is happening in the present, so maybe if you work in memories the universe could thing you are only remembering, but I don´t know certainly.

Go for it with enthusiasm but at the same time unattached. I really, really want you to have success.

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