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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm on the fence about white powder of gold. Through my studies and practice of alchemy, white powder of gold just does not add up. I have asked a question to the manufacturers claiming to be alchemists and they can give no clear answers owing to a lack of knowledge on the art. I have tried white powder of gold and experienced no benefit, others I have spoken to feel the same. If there does appear to be a positive reaction, I would say it is a powerful placebo. It seems to me that in the majority of cases white powder of gold is just calcined gold and is a poisonous gold hydroxide. It is unlikely that this resides in naturally occurring source of ormes. I believe that mono atoms do exist, it's a basic fact of physics. There are much more precise and immortalising methods which one can learn from the ancient masters. Any philosophers stone will always derive from pure gold, and become congealed as a superconductor made of billions of atoms of nano gold, hence the deep red colour of the red philosophers stone. There is a very simple process which can create the stone which I am not willing to share in public.

I have seen some wallpaper manufactured with a foil backing. It is claimed that these wallpapers prevent large amounts of electrosmog and RF entering the room, I can't remember the source, but it s probably cheaper than the high quality material you are referring to?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:48 pm    Post subject: white powder gold Reply with quote

Thanks for your post. I would agree that the effets from Ormes are subltle and that the PLACEBO EFFECT is involved. It becomes difficult to differentate between PE and INTENTION especially with Ormes.

There are those on one side who hold that the WPG should be active whatever your INTENTION is or is not (Realists). There are others that see WPG as "ACTIVATED by specific INTENTION (Idealists?). The latter group is sometimes labelled with the onus of PLACEBO EFFECT.

As I see it Reality is determined by EACH individual's choice. The stronger you believe in something the more useful and powerful it becomes to you.

Much of the exchanges on the Ormes and Ormus sites I think involve "wishful thinking" lack of knowledge and unforunately EGOTISM. The latter is one major thing that I would expect ingestion of WPG to elimlnate

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, your comment reflects the view of many alchemists over the years, that intention is fundamental to the success of the practice. It is held in high regard by most, and is believed to be key to achieving the philosophers stone. One must transmute themselves before attempting the transmutation of metals. I still find the best way to test the stone is its transmutation effect. if it can turn lead into gold with the addition of a couple of natural ingredients, and be chemically assayed to be gold then it has worked. White powder gold does not do such a thing, and when assayed using equipment Hudson had no access to, proves it to be either low grade mineral deposits, or gold hydroxide, depending on the method taken to derive at white powder gold.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:25 pm    Post subject: David Radius Hudson Reply with quote

Thanks, I have read much of Hudson's papers. The chemical process he used I glanced over and did not want to tackle Hydrogen Fluoride again.

I am familiar with the spectroscope that the Soviet's used on Hudson's samples. It is an old (1940ish) semiquantitaive device used in the 1980's for "wear metal " analysis at a refinery I worked in. I have something similar now a Verrland Spectracsope circa 1948. I always wanted something like this. I certainly cannot afford today's STATE OF THE ART ICP machine.

The basic problem, if I remeber is that in order to get a spectrum from these ORME elements one had to raise the temp so high that oxygen and nitrogen in the air reacted with the samples (I know this is counterintuiyive as Ormes are not supose to react). The Soviets used a burn of over 300 seconds and an Argon gas envelope around the flame. The US Chemists did not do this; using no inert gas envelope and stopping the burn at 300 seconds.

I have used my spectroscope for jewellry metal analysis , and ancient artifacts. Interestingly, whenever there is gold in a sample the sample boat is covered with a reddish colloidal material after the burn?

Your using the word transmutation remined me of Morely's (spelling) 1920's 50,000 watt FREE ENERGY device. He mentioned that he noticed transmutation inside some of the lighting tubes he used.

I am very intersted in Cold Fusion and believe that the Utah U people had REAL results. I cannot seem to find info on Palladium that tells me what I want to know.I have a strong feeling that Palladium metal has a molecular structure that brings hydrogen atoms in very close contact with the nuclei. We already know that Palladium is a HYDROGEN SPONGE.

IN addition Morely makes mention of a "SWEDISH STONE" that seems to be central to his success. Speculation is that he obtained the mineral in Swedan and that it contained Scandium to which he aded Radium. Scandium was mentioned by one engineer in a thread as having the "METASTABLE" nucleus. I think this word is a precurser to what we refer to today as "M STATE", ormes etc.

One of my pet projets a few years back was to identify Gold ormes via colormetric spectral analysis. There is a stage in the production of gold ormes where you are presented with a FOREST GREEN solution. The extinction frequency of this solution might be used to identify the gold ormes precursor and to quantify it.

In my opinion there is too much SELF INTEREST on the groups about this WPG stuff. Maybe the members should eat a lot more of the stuff and mellow out their personalities.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a typical attitude of some people and scientist when an experiment is not going to plan. Change something to make the results fit. With the DC arc spectroscopy, they did just this. I am sure if a sample of Hudsons white powder gold was sent of to a modern chemistry lab, and using their state of the art analysis equipment, they would find a whole host of minerals and metals from his ground source material. I doubt However, that they would find any evidence of a mono stable gold atom presence. He may have found something, but I believe it was just a source of several minerals that may be beneficial to the body in low doses. Having said that, there is evidence that mineral overdose can cause cancerous cells to develop. We only have to look at Hudson to see he did not discover the elixir of youth in white powder gold, after all he wouldn't have aged would he? As I understand it, he was plagued with health problems long after his discovery.

I can see the logic in the wet path and dry path of attaining white powder gold, breaking down pure gold, is a simple alchemical path. I do not believe that the use of the acids they speculate is the correct method and the process is left unfinished as a calcination of sorts.

The red colloid material you speak of may have been cinnabar? more likely nano gold though. I hold the view that nano gold is key here to finding the elixir of life. The more you divide the gold the finer you split the molecule until you arrive at a large quantity of mono state gold atoms within the solution. In this state after at least the 7th degree of multiplication you can see a room temp super conductor before your eyes. One small amount of the stone will taint pure water deep red, hang on... he turned water to wine, was Jesus an alchemist? This elixir now contains nano gold mono state atoms suspended within water.

From scientific studies nano gold will destroy cancer cells, However, be warned. Gold poisoning does exist, the results being brittle faint hair, waxy complexion, etc. In small doses the elixir of youth can do wonders, but in large it will act as a poison. I think we are going a bit off topic with this thread, weren't we talking about orgone? Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:57 pm    Post subject: ruby red Reply with quote

yes it is sort of off topic. I remember Richard Feynman refering to what you said about "adding something to get the right expected ren an experement. He called it Cargo Cult Science.....May you never have to do cargo cult science in order to get funding....

I still feel the Soviets were able to test Hudson's material and get positive results without Cargo Cult Science. I have not seen a recent picture of Hudson but you have a point. If he had discovered the Ormes and ingested them he should show results. There seems to be a lot of "smoke and mirrors" in the world of ORMUS/ORMES today.

I have made up several batches of colloidal gold. Some of these were not safely made and I did not ingest them. I have tried the underwater arc with pure gold wire but had no success. One neon sign transformer got very hot. I have two others and maybe will get around to it again.

I did use reagent grade choroauric acid and UVC + ultra sound to make up a batch of RUBY RED gold colloid. Of course, I had a fuzzy idea of the amount of gold chloride left in the batch. I can now perform better tests to determine this. I SLOWLY injested this batch over a long time period.

Back to Orgone. Reich had a problem with the deadly orgone. From what I read it was the result of putting a radium needle inside a lead box and then inside an accumulator. Several details I have seen do not really tell me enough.

Somewhere I read that if you take radium and spin it at 20,000 rpms you will produce a torsion zpe field. I have a small centrafuge and a piece of very hot radium painted 1917 marching compass. I think I will do more research and then spin the centrafuge to its max (15,000 rpms). If I remember correctly the zpe field made in this manner had a signature similiar to Orgone energy.

Lots of things I learned in college are turning out to be lies. Some of the most DANGEROUS things are innoculous and visa versa. It bothers me that there seem to be so many liers and crooks in the world.

David
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is an art to making colloidal gold as you know. I have found a few alchemists making ruby red colloidal gold using a computer controlled high voltage system. While nano gold is functional, the gold needs to be dissolved with a certain alkahest, a nitrate in order to get the division required. It heated to meting point with the nitrate will separate the covalent bonds of the gold molecules, keep repeating this separation, and you wind up with mono state gold atoms within your stone. This processes involved requires one to reanimate certain substances, namely the alkahest before attempting to create the stone.

I do wonder if it is possible to further divide the ruby red colloid, until you have smaller and smaller groups of atoms, possibly even mono atoms?

Did you notice any positive effects from the ruby red gold?

I have heard of the spinning metal cylinder making a torsion field, this was years ago, but I never got around to it. I have not heard radium mentioned in such an experiment before. I would be wary of working with a large amount of radium, although its half life decay is relatively stable I would not wish to be within proximity to it for an extended period of time. We just have to look at what old pocket watches with radium dials to see what they have done to people who continuously wore them throughout their lives.

It is a theory that pyramids create torsion fields, within another dimension the pyramids are a spinning vertex. The more sides they have in this dimension, the faster they are spinning in another, a cone would be an example of a high spin state. Perhaps spinning a cylinder in this dimension is similar to a pyramid energy system in some way?

Perhaps it would be worth securing a block of orgonite into your centrifuge in order to see if anything “interesting occurs”? You may want to experiment with varying masses of the material in relation to the dimensions of the centrifuge.

I have seen some free energy devices mentioned, namely in last months Nexus, they utilise energy from the vacuum. The vacuum batteries use a polymer silicate matrix to keep the vacuum flow open between the anode and cathode. This allows the potential energy to constantly flow. What I find interesting is that the polymer silicate matrix is very similar to an orgone accumulator.

I did find an interesting electronics schematic online which claims to be a time distortion detector. It counts the cycles per second between two tcxo crystals separated by a small distance. The theory is interesting. The designer claims that a pyramid placed over one of the crystal oscillators produces a temporal distortion due to the torsion filed generated by the pyramid. This can be seen on an oscilloscope readout as one of the crystal frequency changes.

This may be worth looking into to see if your radium produces a strong torsion filed?

I studied Higher level physics in college, but I couldn't get my head around my professors taking a vast number of "theories" as fact. They were quick to disprove something, but never bothered to try and prove a theory, because a 17th century theory said it wasn't possible. I know Newton was an alchemist, but there are a lot of flaws with his theories, as well as theories of many other scientists. I couldn't be creative enough in my studies, so I dropped out. May endure it again one day!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:18 pm    Post subject: orgone and colloidal gold Reply with quote

xxxx wrote:
There is an art to making colloidal gold as you know. I have found a few alchemists making ruby red colloidal gold using a computer controlled high voltage system. While nano gold is functional, the gold needs to be dissolved with a certain alkahest, a nitrate in order to get the division required. It heated to meting point with the nitrate will separate the covalent bonds of the gold molecules, keep repeating this separation, and you wind up with mono state gold atoms within your stone. This processes involved requires one to reanimate certain substances, namely the alkahest before attempting to create the stone.

I have been able to see a few research papers (mostly from India) that talk about all kinds of nanogold particles... nano "rattles" nano cages etc. The really good stuff costs money to see.

I do wonder if it is possible to further divide the ruby red colloid, until you have smaller and smaller groups of atoms, possibly even mono atoms?

Did you notice any positive effects from the ruby red gold? The effects OF COURSE were subtle but I do feel it made a difference in overall wellbeing.

I have heard of the spinning metal cylinder making a torsion field, this was years ago, but I never got around to it. I have not heard radium mentioned in such an experiment before. I would be wary of working with a large amount of radium, although its half life decay is relatively stable I would not wish to be within proximity to it for an extended period of time. We just have to look at what old pocket watches with radium dials to see what they have done to people who continuously wore them throughout their lives.

Yes, the piece I have of radium paint gives off 50 millrems as measured with my Geiger counter at pointblank range. If I carried it in my pocket or next to my skin for a day I would expect to see a burn there.

It is a theory that pyramids create torsion fields, within another dimension the pyramids are a spinning vertex. The more sides they have in this dimension, the faster they are spinning in another, a cone would be an example of a high spin state. Perhaps spinning a cylinder in this dimension is similar to a pyramid energy system in some way? Hummmm , I will have to think on that .

Perhaps it would be worth securing a block of orgonite into your centrifuge in order to see if anything “interesting occurs”? You may want to experiment with varying masses of the material in relation to the dimensions of the centrifuge. I think I will try that out, I had not thought of that yet.

I have seen some free energy devices mentioned, namely in last months Nexus, they utilise energy from the vacuum. The vacuum batteries use a polymer silicate matrix to keep the vacuum flow open between the anode and cathode. This allows the potential energy to constantly flow. What I find interesting is that the polymer silicate matrix is very similar to an orgone accumulator.

I did find an interesting electronics schematic online which claims to be a time distortion detector. It counts the cycles per second between two tcxo crystals separated by a small distance. The theory is interesting. The designer claims that a pyramid placed over one of the crystal oscillators produces a temporal distortion due to the torsion filed generated by the pyramid. This can be seen on an oscilloscope readout as one of the crystal frequency changes.

This may be worth looking into to see if your radium produces a strong torsion filed? I have placed the radium paint part into a container of what is called "ghost gold" But nothing happened....at least that I could observe. This ghost gold was obayined for me from Idaho. It was an area that sveryone doing doseing came up with enmormous gold readings. But the locals said it was WHITE IRON. I think it may be Hudson's Ormes. Nothing yet has come from the sample.

I studied Higher level physics in college, but I couldn't get my head around my professors taking a vast number of "theories" as fact. They were quick to disprove something, but never bothered to try and prove a theory, because a 17th century theory said it wasn't possible. I know Newton was an alchemist, but there are a lot of flaws with his theories, as well as theories of many other scientists. I couldn't be creative enough in my studies, so I dropped out. May endure it again one day!


I too studied Physics at IU, the Prof made it interesting. Because of this I received the only A. Not that I am a Physics brainac.

I want to get a hold of some Metglas to use as cores for electromagnets. I have one coil made with metglas core and several thousand feet #28 Lietz wire,52 ohms and 2.6 Henries. I was going to use t in ELF reception work but I now energize it with a signal in the Human brainwave spectrum and am going to see the effects by testing it on myself. I know 10 hertz waves have been shown to have neurotransmiter activity on Ca channels in the brain.

Tom Bearden points out that we need a DIPOLE to pull zpe scalar waves out of the vacuum or ANYWHERE. We all have electrical dipoles in our brains. They change intensity and polarity? in response to what we are thinking. I see human neurons as translators from this continium of EM waves to the zpe continuim of scalar waves . A translator that works in both directions.

EVERY CELL in our bodies has DNA (RBC????). DNA is a SCALAR antenna. Our connections to the zpe conciousness field (God) I think would allow a person to become a SUPERMAN (WOMAN). With the proper INTENTION and WORK in translating to the zpe field I think one could MANIFEST as a UBERMENCH if one so desired!! THis is an idea that was not even dreamed of when I took Genetics in the 1970's. Then we delt with peas, and geneotype and phenotype. I have never been able to adjut to the DNA TYPING thing.

David
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should look into bio photon emissions, It is thought that all the DNA within our cells communicates using light waves. The light waves are carried by the mitochondrial tubes, in a manner similar to fibre optics, thought I doubt there is a refraction pattern.

The human mind is the field transceiver, that is why we are ale to communicate using telepathy using the correct protocols, and may also offer an explanation as to why we are able to manifest circumstances using thought. Every thought we have at this present moment in time, is not created within the brain. Our current thoughts exist within the field around us, it is the brain acting as the receiver for this information which gives us the perception that it originates inside our bodies (the spirit vessel) Natutally, we are in the realm of fringe science and noetics at this point, but hopefully it will make it mainstream in the near future.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, it has been over a year......


xxxx wrote:
You should look into bio photon emissions, It is thought that all the DNA within our cells communicates using light waves. The light waves are carried by the mitochondrial tubes, in a manner similar to fibre optics, thought I doubt there is a refraction pattern. INTERESTING YOU MENTION THE MITOCHONDRIA.

I came across a article from a Laser "Clinic" type gathering in 2004. They mentioned that when a Laser is PULSED at the nanosecond range the light is not stopped by the cell membrane as it cannot polarize and depolarize fast enough. The laser PULSES enter the cell and impact the MEMBRANES of the Organelli . And of course the Mitochondria is one of them. There seems to be evidence that red laser light has a STIMULATING effect on the Mitcohondria's energy production.

Some people believe that this increase in ATP is the reason for the ACROSS THE BOARD Healing effects that are observed with Ultra Fast PULSED LLL Laser Therapy.

I DO NOT THINK THAT IS THE WHOLE ANSWER.

The human mind is the field transceiver, that is why we are ale to communicate using telepathy using the correct protocols, and may also offer an explanation as to why we are able to manifest circumstances using thought. Every thought we have at this present moment in time, is not created within the brain. Our current thoughts exist within the field around us, it is the brain acting as the receiver for this information which gives us the perception that it originates inside our bodies (the spirit vessel) Natutally, we are in the realm of fringe science and noetics at this point, but hopefully it will make it mainstream in the near future.


I believe we all have our MINDS resident in the Zero Point Energy Conciousness Field. The meat computer inside our heads is woefully inadaquate even as an explaination for fine piano playing.......let alone THINKING at quantum speeds.

AS Tom Bearden points out we HAVE TWO BRAINS. The mediocare medical people have been trying to find out what EACH does. They are TWO BRAINS and if you can syncinize them and cognate an INTENTION that intention will TRANSLATE from your normal electromagnetic brainwaves into Scalar Waves when and where the brainwaves CROSS. After that the INTENTION is in the language of the PLANIUM (ZPECF).

From that point on your intention EXISTS EVERYWHERE and it is instantaneously accessable to EVERYONE (e.g. those who know how. lol).

I am working with Lasers now. I buy the heads and make up lasers. I will have around 8 lasers above my bed that I can train on some of the parts of myself that HURT and need maintance and healing. I am working on a avalanche transistor nanosecond laser power supply. I already have a 532nm laser that works at one nanosecond rate that I won on Ebay.

Sincerely,

David
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, it has been over a year......


xxxx wrote:
You should look into bio photon emissions, It is thought that all the DNA within our cells communicates using light waves. The light waves are carried by the mitochondrial tubes, in a manner similar to fibre optics, thought I doubt there is a refraction pattern. INTERESTING YOU MENTION THE MITOCHONDRIA.

I came across a article from a Laser "Clinic" type gathering in 2004. They mentioned that when a Laser is PULSED at the nanosecond range the light is not stopped by the cell membrane as it cannot polarize and depolarize fast enough. The laser PULSES enter the cell and impact the MEMBRANES of the Organelli . And of course the Mitochondria is one of them. There seems to be evidence that red laser light has a STIMULATING effect on the Mitcohondria's energy production.

Some people believe that this increase in ATP is the reason for the ACROSS THE BOARD Healing effects that are observed with Ultra Fast PULSED LLL Laser Therapy.

I DO NOT THINK THAT IS THE WHOLE ANSWER.

The human mind is the field transceiver, that is why we are ale to communicate using telepathy using the correct protocols, and may also offer an explanation as to why we are able to manifest circumstances using thought. Every thought we have at this present moment in time, is not created within the brain. Our current thoughts exist within the field around us, it is the brain acting as the receiver for this information which gives us the perception that it originates inside our bodies (the spirit vessel) Natutally, we are in the realm of fringe science and noetics at this point, but hopefully it will make it mainstream in the near future.


I believe we all have our MINDS resident in the Zero Point Energy Conciousness Field. The meat computer inside our heads is woefully inadaquate even as an explaination for fine piano playing.......let alone THINKING at quantum speeds.

AS Tom Bearden points out we HAVE TWO BRAINS. The mediocare medical people have been trying to find out what EACH does. They are TWO BRAINS and if you can syncinize them and cognate an INTENTION that intention will TRANSLATE from your normal electromagnetic brainwaves into Scalar Waves when and where the brainwaves CROSS. After that the INTENTION is in the language of the PLANIUM (ZPECF).

From that point on your intention EXISTS EVERYWHERE and it is instantaneously accessable to EVERYONE (e.g. those who know how. lol).

I am working with Lasers now. I buy the heads and make up lasers. I will have around 8 lasers above my bed that I can train on some of the parts of myself that HURT and need maintance and healing. I am working on a avalanche transistor nanosecond laser power supply. I already have a 532nm laser that works at one nanosecond rate that I won on Ebay.

Sincerely,

David
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