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mindzer0 · Joined: 14 Nov 2009 Posts: 7

(To be fair, I've never managed to finish reading the Kybalion because it seemed too preachy, and slightly dogmatic, so views and opinions on the book are incomplete. However that is the reason for this post.

To me the Kybalion has always been a book that taught a philosophy that seemed to focus on the interconnected nature of the universe while at the same time denying it or at the very least 'playing it down' in favor of a more 'practical' approach to life.

It would at one point talk about THE ALL and how all of existence was within the mind of THE ALL, but then would turn right around and say things like "but remember, we are not THE ALL."

This would make sense if you were saying that THE ALL were like the ocean and all of existence were merely the various creatures that live in the ocean. Still I have hard time understanding how the source of all things is still separate from all things...

Seemingly contradictory message like that caused me to gradually lose interest in the book. However, the most glaring contradiction in my mind is this paragraph which I only came across recently:

martouk · Joined: 22 Feb 2011 Posts: 60

This post will probably irk some of the members of the forum, but oh well.

In response to your question about connectedness, in essence we are all operating within the All or Prime Source, or whatever term you use. Having said that, in a greater sense we are all disconnected from that awareness due to our perception of the world and the cosmos. It has taken many eons to sow this feeling of being disconnected, and it was not all a simple matter of choosing it.

What folks need to realize is that a spiritual quest is designed for one to regain the perception of that connectedness. People mistakenly believe that there is one single grand moment of enlightenment, where all the spiritual circuits are activated and we suddenly know everything in an instant. Such is not the case. Enlightenment is achieved in increments as we shed our old thinking and perceptual paradigms.

Whenever you learn and accept the falsity of an idea or a dogma, you gain a truth. On the spiritual path one will attain many 'aha' moments as increments of enlightenment brings them closer to the truth.

Many of the so called ancient traditions were designed with specific agendas in mind. What I have learned on my own path is that the material that is the most convoluted, and therefore self-contradictory, is designed to be that way. There are certain amounts of truth embedded in the writings to set the hook, so to speak, then there is a lot of dogmatic nonsense designed to pull the true seeker into a morass of confusing and fruitless tail-chasing of trying to understand material that has no real understanding to be gained from it overall. In other words, there is a lot of nonsense wrapped around a minimum of spiritual truth.

In my opinion, the Kybalion is just such a book, and it is very similar to the Kaballah. Neither will lead you to a greater enlightenment. Instead, you will find yourself trying to make sense out of nonsense and it will ultimately pull you from your path to understanding and enlightenment. The harder you seek understanding from the contradictions in these types of materials, the more you lose sight of the path you seek.

I know there are a number of members here who put great store in the Kybalion. My take on it is that if the book is bringing you closer to your own enlightenment (understanding, altered perceptions) then it is a useful tool. But understand it is not the ONLY tool on the path. There is no One True Path to personal enlightenment. There are as many paths to enlightenment as there are souls in existence. Whatever material leads you to your greater understanding and awareness is a positive tool. But I would pay attention to the material that seems self-contradictory as it usually is not highly valid material.

Messenger11 · Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:10 am Post subject:

Ok I'll try and attempt to clear your confusion. I've always search for the truth, something that made total sense because orthodox religion didn't offer me that. I found ancient hermeticism which lead to kybalion which made total sense. I agree fully that the kybalion is full of religious idealogy but by understanding the kybalion you should be able to distinguish the dogma from the understanding of the universe and existence. I've read related material and many other stuff to supplement the kybalion and apparently I was a spiritual master and teacher in previous life So here I go...

Ok so imagine for a moment that The All was a human being. Outside of that human being was nothing. Each cell in the human being's body was changed into something in the universe. So a cell could be changed into a planet for example. You and me could be other parts of a single cell. So everything in the universe is something of that human being. The cell in that human being doesn't have the power to create a brain in that human being but has the power to influence their surrounding environment, hope you with me so far?

So that human being takes part of itself and turns it into something else. So everything in the universe is inside of that human being and made of that human being but does not have the power of that human being to create anything outside of their environment. Essentially we have to power to create and influence inside our own and surrounding environment but we can't create planets or universes.

Now the infinate mind in the kybalion is a simplified analogy to what I mentioned above. So instead of imagining a human being just image a brain and each and everything inside that brain is a neuron pulse and now apply my analogy. Even further, The All in now just mind not a physical brain and apply the same analogy.

So essentially in a nutshell. The All is made of one type of substance whether that be spirit , mental energy as the in the kybalion, it's still the same energy. When it changes frequency or vibration you get you and me and everything else in the universe. It looks different but still the same energy which is the all. Things like ourselves don't have the power to create but only influence itself and it's surroundings. Only The All has power to create things like the planets or other planes of existence, hence the all is living mind.

Their are many who believe Christ was not teaching Christianity but the Kybalion understanding, Christ said Me and my father are not separate but one meaning God is All but we don't have the power of God. Hope I don't offend Christian with that just my opinion. Anyhow that was just an interesting titbit.

So if I confused you further then my work here is done lol, just kidding, hope that helped. Understanding The All can really do a number on your sanity. If you need any other clarity please ask and if I can help I will Smile

Messenger11 · Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:20 am Post subject:

And I forgot to mention martouk is totally right. Don't see that kybalion has the truth. The kybalion like all other religions which is simply a way to that truth filled with dogma, remove that dogma learn from it's essence which holds the truth and expand your understanding and your consciousness.

Like the master Bruce Lee would says, that different marital arts is simply expression of self. He was searching for the true marital arts technique but learn that the true technique is honestly and truly expression yourself whichever technique that might be or even creating your own. So the kybalion is just like a form of marital arts not the truth it's up to you to distinguish the form of the truth.

Sabrinmg · Joined: 29 Jan 2012 Posts: 192 Location: Over the rainbow

It may help to think of the Kabalion, or Kaballah, or Quantum Physics or plenty of other things, as a very long Koan.

In the East, they mostly meditate for Enlightenment. They sit still all day and all night, sometimes for years, until their mind breaks and all illusions fall away.

In the West, we like to do things, we think that to get anything, we need to do something. Kaballah and other works were designed to assist in this. It will drive you barmy trying to make sense of it - that's what it's been designed to do.

Eventually, your mind will break and you'll be able to make sense of the senseless.

Or not.

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