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Mohammed and Islam

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I often believe people are going to find what they want to find out of a religious text. People come into religious study often with their own pre-conceptions, pre-formed notions, or biases. Our enviornments can often shape our ways of thinking and learning.

I think it would be prudent for anyone doing serious study to be mindful of their notions, biases, and the effect enviornment has had on their thinking and I believe it is the duty of every adherent, regardless of their faith, to look critically upon what they learn to be certain it can stand up to reasoning, logic, morality, ethics, and historical validity and credibility.

As a scholar myself, with a degree in history and social sciences, I go into religious studies not to pick a religion apart or to discredit one's faith or belief systems but to glean understanding of that religion's history, culture, sense of morality, ethics, mythology, and unqiue role in the development of civilization.

I have come to some conclusion that there is good and value to be found in Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, Shinto, etc. and there are some very positive values that come from each and seem almost universal. But one important point must be made and I think it has already been touched upon. There is some innate flaw (big or small) in leaving divine words or messages to the hands of mortals for the purposes of translation, application, and scribing. Anything made my humans is bound to contain within it the pluses and minuses of human capability. It would be arrogance and folly on our parts to replicate in exact perfection something of the divine or of some diety.

If people are to believe that only Allah, Yahweh, Jehovah, Krishna, {insert diety's name} is absolutly perfect and humankind imperfect... then logically, we cannot expect to handle divine matters perfectly. Religion is human made and therefore bound to be imperfect. The dieties never established denominations or the heirarchal structures or poltical frameworks of their churches in any explicit language--these are the works of human disciples--we know this. People, inspired by diety, build churches and religions. Diety simply provides the teaches and essentials for life. They leave it to mankind to follow those teaches and basically live up as best as humankind can, to the ideals the divine lay out for us.

But it is also arrogance and conceit to believe that one faith or religion is somehow more right or more perfect or more directly related to a diety than another. It is ignorance to to deny the existence and histortical facts of the existences of these other faiths, cultures, and systems of belief.

It is arrogance and ignorance to make claims and be so narrow as to rely upon a single scripture or text as a basis for evidence in an argument of faith or religion when humankind lacks the means to verify the validity and credibility of the divine source that inspired such writings. And to deny or refuse to accept the evidence of archaeology, other historical documents or archives, or anthropological research only detracts from the credibility of one's claims.

You cannot claim the Bible is absolute truth if you lack the understanding of all other scriptures or texts-- by what comparitive basis can one make a claim of superiority if they only know of one text? The same can be said of anyone who claims superiority on the grounds of arguing from their one source as opposed to a comparitive approachh.

A true argument is one that is thourough and draws from all available credible research and primary source material. If you really want to get at the nuts and bolts of any religion, the most primary source of any religion, is the diety or point of origin. Seeing as how we mortals lack the means to experience or encounter a diety within the means of sense experience or scientific criteria, we can only rely upon inspired writings and works of inspired persons and take them with dollops of humility and faith that these people have done their best to get to the heart of what the diety intended.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RachelMcLeod wrote:
I often believe people are going to find what they want to find out of a religious text.

That is what I see. Kind of like there is something for everyone in these texts. You can find love, hate, vengeance, jealousy, rage, racism, and intolerance, in a lot of what I have read. I can tell what kind of character a person has by the scripture that person chooses to uphold.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks a lot d_redant

Islam is always misunderstood by people particularly non-muslims because

most of them have little knowledge about Islam.

It is always misinterpreted because it is often projected falsely by Media >>>>>Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wounded Healer you have to try to understand that there is “ISLAM” and also, there is people's “Muslimism or Islamism!”

President George W. Bush referred to Islam as a religion of peace; the
evangelist Franklin Graham called Islam an evil religion; Samuel Huntington, prominent Harvard professor and author of The Clash of Civilizations, wrote, ‘‘Islam has bloody borders . . . and innards.’’
But, as President Barack Obama has pointed out, ‘‘Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality. . . . Partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn’t.’’

Like all powerful and compelling religions and ideologies, Islam has
a history in all of these diverse cultures that reveals both a transcendent and a dark side. Like other religions, Islam affirms the existence of a supreme, ultimate reality. For Muslims, Allah (Arabic for ‘‘the God’’) is the one, true God—all-powerful, compassionate, and merciful God, creator and Lord of the universe, and judge on the Last Day of humankind. He calls upon and enables human beings to transcend their limitations, follow his righteous path, lead morally responsible lives, and work to create a just society. At the same time, Islam, like other faiths, has historically been a source not only of compassion, morality, and virtue but also of terror, injustice, and oppression.

Real intellectual and enlightened people are the one who seek, find and know the truth based on his own objective investigations from true sources. They are free from their cocoons at a certain level, and they try to lead their lives under the guidance of reasonable scientific thought.

However, also there are some enlightened-like ones are those who take advantage of the enlightened ones depending on their capacity to understand and try to take the hat round (get the benefit) by selling them to their surroundings.

While we commonly speak of ‘‘Islam,’’ in fact many Islams or interpretations of Islam exist. The images and realities of Islam and of Muslims are multiple and diverse: religiously, culturally, economically, and politically. Muslims are the majority in some fifty-seven countries, and they represent many nationalities, languages, ethnic and tribal groups, and customs.

Muslims and non-Muslims alike face new challenges in the twenty-first
century. The forces of globalization have made us interdependent politically, economically, and environmentally: mass migrations of Muslims in the twentieth century created new immigrant communities in America and Europe that have enriched societies but also resulted in social unrest.
However, whatever the hopes and fears of Muslims and non-Muslims, 9 / 11 and ‘‘the war on global terrorism’’ signaled a major transformation in global history and relations between the Muslim world and the West.

In the twenty-first century, the growth of global terrorism and an
exponential increase in anti-Americanism and anti-Westernism in general have been accompanied in America and some European countries by right-wing politicians, political commentators, media personalities, and religious leaders who have conflated mainstream Islam with terrorism. They have fed an increase in discrimination against Islam and Muslims (‘‘Islamophobia’’), resulting in widespread suspicion of mainstream Muslims, hate crimes, and the belief that Islam, not just Muslim extremism, is a threat.

One of the most critical Muhammad's single action with Aisha is that he taught that a girl is considered an adult following her first menstrual cycle. He also taught that his followers were to follow his "sunnah" or lifestyle. Thus today, throughout much of the Mideast, (and Africa where African's were forcefully converted to Islam), girls as young as nine are often married by men old enough to be their grandfather..(Somalia is a
good example).
But why then do we find it objectionable? After all, Muhammad did not live in our culture or under our law. He lived under a Semitic culture. And this custom of marrying girls after their first menses existed in the Mideast long before Muhammad.
What is the basis for rejection of this Semite custom and Muhammad's precedent?
Are there any valid reasons to criticize it? Or should it simply be rejected based upon our own cultural bias?

Lastly, I would like to include some of Rumi's quotes to understand what is the true meaning of Islam can flourish on the hand of a wised man.

Rumi said;

~ People of the world don't look at themselves, and so they blame one another.

~ Since in order to speak, one must first listen, learn to speak by listening.

~ No mirror ever became iron again; No bread ever became wheat; No ripened grape ever became sour fruit. Mature yourself and be secure from a change for the worse. Become the light.

~ Friends are enemies sometimes, and enemies friends.

~ If your guidance is your ego, don't rely on luck for help. you sleep during the day and the nights are short. By the time you wake up your life may be over.
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